Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[WePlayWednesday]

It’s time for a change. He is too stubborn and the silly comments about leaving around the CL final worried me. His tactics are awful and I think he’s lost the dressing room. I somehow think the number of players soon to be out of contract are linked to his management style. Maybe a high profile appointment would help bring unity and fire up the team.

The question is, who would be better, available and able to do the job we need done. Namely top 4 and trophies.

 

[spursfan77]

Getting rid of Poch now is tempting because results are good and you can disagree with his decisions.

But I don’t think that fixes the problem - a new guy coming in will face many of the same problems. You’ll get a short-term bounce and then it’ll be the same nonsense from January.

There are too many players not motivated and below the level required. Everyone needs to be at least one of those things if they’re to play. Eriksen shouldn’t be anywhere near the team at the moment. Nor should Alli.

I agree. It will definitely get worse before it gets better even with a new manager. We cant wait till January to find out though, we could be out the champions league and languishing mid table if this form gets worse.

I'd say this is Levy's biggest decision since he's been chairman. Stick or twist.

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Stay. After 5 years of almost continual improvement, the coaching staff deserve a little bit of slack.

Especially as most of the problems within the squad are down to a couple of years without investing, as well as uncertainty due to not making tough decisions on Eriksen, Toby and Jan to sell or convincing them to sign new deals. None of which is within Poch's area of responsibility.

The sense of entitlement from some Spurs fans this season is embarrassing.

Better the fans want/demand success rather than being the type who just want to tell everyone to remember the 90s. We all remember the 90s, we were wank. We’re not so wank anymore, so standards have changed. The fanbase needs to get rid of its loser mentality, people are far too used to just accepting Tottenhams bullshit because it’s Tottenham, and the ones who demand we improve are ‘entitled’

 

[Deleted member 27995]

He had a very good 35 minutes but after that he was finished. His fitness is a real concern. No professional football player shouldn't be able to complete 45 minutes of a game if they're fully fit, especially one that cost 60 million quid.

I like him though, he's a very good player.

Careful, people get touchy when you make negative noises about him.

 

[tommo84]

I’ve voted go, because his tactics have been daft for a while (and even when we were terrific under him he did weird things in big games). However I think the next 3 games are key. If we lose any of our next 3 (Brighton, Watford, Red Star) or simply to fail to win at least 2 of them then he’ll be on very shaken ground when we go to Anfield. A battering there (which looks highly likely after last night) will mean no way back.

I know Levy has his faults but Poch is repeatedly picking a team and tactics which leave our defence horribly exposed, and is refusing to change even while he has Eric Dier on the bench. None of that is on the chairman (or the likes of Eriksen who want out).

If I’m Levy the search for a replacement has already started.

 

[Tucker]

The sense of entitlement from some Spurs fans this season is embarrassing.

I think we are all entitled to expect that we don’t concede seven fucking goals at home.

We aren’t Tranmere.

 

[Hakkz]

To the people that want Poch to stay, why do you still want to give him more time to turn it around when he has already had ONE YEAR to turn it around and still hasn’t done it?

What exactly are you hoping and waiting for?

Did you not see tonight a squad that has stopped playing for the manager? After 30 minutes our players were dead on their feet. Our tactics were an abomination. In the second half we were an embarrassment and this has been the long line of poor performances.

Just what have you been watching for the last year?

Did you not see how flukey our CL run was? It was the same thing then. Look at how many goals we conceded to Ajax away and city away? Miraculously we managed to draw those games to get through but it was more of the same shambolic defending. We’ve been a piss poor side for quite some time.

The rot has been set in for ages now. Time to wake up.

Just you wait until next summer when 4-5 players' contracts are up. Then Poch will turn it all around!

 

[Tucker]

He had a very good 35 minutes but after that he was finished. His fitness is a real concern. No professional football player shouldn't be able to complete 45 minutes of a game if they're fully fit, especially one that cost 60 million quid.

I like him though, he's a very good player.

He looked fucking good in the first half. Positive signs for when he’s finally up to speed.

 

[spursfan77]

Careful, people get touchy when you make negative noises about him.

I know, that's why I chucked the last sentence in!

Nothing wrong from him at all apart from his fitness. Who knows, maybe he's struggling with the training midweek and its impacting his games. I know the French league is easier but I cant imagine he was this unfit during matches. The champions league games I saw of him he looked perfectly fine athleticism wise.

 

[hatch]

I think the chances of winning any silverware with poch has passed, we are entering a downward curve. Sad to say but I think we will see a change.

 

[nailsy]

He had a very good 35 minutes but after that he was finished. His fitness is a real concern. No professional football player shouldn't be able to complete 45 minutes of a game if they're fully fit, especially one that cost 60 million quid.

I like him though, he's a very good player.

Why is he so unfit? He was obviously OK before he came here. It must be the training right? We've heard before that it take players months to get Poch fit, is this what happens to them in-between? And if it is, why is he playing? Is this just Poch showing Levy why he needs players in early, or is he genuinely the best option at the moment?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

To the people that want Poch to stay, why do you still want to give him more time to turn it around when he has already had ONE YEAR to turn it around and still hasn’t done it?

What exactly are you hoping and waiting for?

Did you not see tonight a squad that has stopped playing for the manager? After 30 minutes our players were dead on their feet. Our tactics were an abomination. In the second half we were an embarrassment and this has been the long line of poor performances.

Just what have you been watching for the last year?

Did you not see how flukey our CL run was? It was the same thing then. Look at how many goals we conceded to Ajax away and city away? Miraculously we managed to draw those games to get through but it was more of the same shambolic defending. We’ve been a piss poor side for quite some time. When was the last time you watched us play and thought we looked a convincing side?

The rot has been set in for ages now. Time to wake up.

Waiting patiently to see how the BSoMP excuse their way out of this result.

We were absolutely shocking in the second half last night, but as you said this has been brewing for the good part of almost 10 months now.

It's time for a change, as much as I love Poch and everything he has done for this club, we need to part ways and move on.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

I don’t subscribe to the new manger in and everything will be ok narrative. Though thinking about if you have to keep moving forward and maybe it’s time to move on. Whatever happens it will be another 2-3 years before we compete again.

 

[rez9000]

So, as of just before 9:00am, there’s a slender margin for Poch staying: by 6.4% margin from 380 votes cast.

 

[Tucker]

I know, that's why I chucked the last sentence in!

Nothing wrong from him at all apart from his fitness. Who knows, maybe he's struggling with the training midweek and its impacting his games. I know the French league is easier but I cant imagine he was this unfit during matches. The champions league games I saw of him he looked perfectly fine athleticism wise.

Not to throw fuel on the “Poch is shit” fire, but I don’t think the formation helped with NDombele’s stamina last night, our midfield was constantly stretched when out of possession, both him and Sissoko needed to do a lot of running to cover our fullbacks. Hoddle wouldn’t shut up about it for the whole first half.

I wasn’t surprised when he faded, put it that way.

 

[robin09]

I think we are all entitled to expect that we don’t concede seven fucking goals at home.

We aren’t Tranmere.

Tranmere don't play against Bayern Munich.

It was a freak game where everything Bayern did came off perfectly. We dominated for the first half an hour, then the frailties in the squad started to show. Combine that with Bayern's performance of a decade, and you can get a crazy result.

If we'd drawn the game last night, would there be a poll about 'Poch Out?' Would as many people have voted 'yes'?

Whenever sentiment can change from one extreme to the other on one single result, it's probably not a well thought through reaction.

The players are lacking confidence, there's uncertainty over the futures of a few starters, we didn't invest enough, and we need to try and rectify the squad problems in the next window. Until then, assuming we don't ship 4+ goals regularly, getting rid of Poch isn't going to help the club. Patience, and showing some loyalty is probably the best scenario right now.

 

[rossdapep]

To the people that want Poch to stay, why do you still want to give him more time to turn it around when he has already had ONE YEAR to turn it around and still hasn’t done it?

What exactly are you hoping and waiting for?

Did you not see tonight a squad that has stopped playing for the manager? After 30 minutes our players were dead on their feet. Our tactics were an abomination. In the second half we were an embarrassment and this has been the long line of poor performances.

Just what have you been watching for the last year?

Did you not see how flukey our CL run was? It was the same thing then. Look at how many goals we conceded to Ajax away and city away? Miraculously we managed to draw those games to get through but it was more of the same shambolic defending. We’ve been a piss poor side for quite some time. When was the last time you watched us play and thought we looked a convincing side?

The rot has been set in for ages now. Time to wake up.

Yep. Everytime we come up against City we looked like a plucky side, when in reality we've got more than enough to compete with them and perform better.

We are facing a ridiculous amount of shots and he doesn't seem to know how to change that. At worst it's his stubbornness of the diamond and we give up many shots cause of it.

He's lost the players and I think he's lost the players because they are tired of playing the same way and expecting better results. They're not dummies, they see and here other managers who alter their tactics and plan well for each game and think "Poch needs to do that" and then nothing. Why would you want to stick around under a stubborn coach like that.

I think the charming Poch with the harmony and motivation kept the squad on their toes and up for the fight for a long time but once some realised that tactically Poch makes too many errors in big games or is too stubborn with his style then I think they've got tired of him. It's happened really quick too.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'm overtaken by apathy and I don't really care. I have little appetite for a rebuild, be it with or without Pochettino. I think it's disappointing that a rebuild is needed after only 5 years, I think that's due to poor long term management.
I might suspect that Pochettino possibly is not the correct man for a rebuilding project, but I can't say I'm bothered either way.

 

[spursfan77]

Not to throw fuel on the “Poch is shit” fire, but I don’t think the formation helped with NDombele’s stamina last night, our midfield was constantly stretched when out of possession, both him and Sissoko needed to do a lot of running to cover our fullbacks. Hoddle wouldn’t shut up about it for the whole first half.

I wasn’t surprised when he faded, put it that way.

Even Sissoko struggled to keep going last night because he had to babysit Aurier through the game. So ndombele didn’t stand much chance.

 

[ernest_lowrider]

I'm all for Poch in.

On the other hand, we know fuck all about what's going on in club, how many players are unsettled and so. And if the rumours I true, a change may be needed, especially if he lost the dressing room.

What I'm afraid is this could mean we're on the way to do Chelsea, the players basically sacked Maureen on his second run, and then they sacked Conte. Sometimes manager is not the main problem and players are.