The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Roy's Racers · Sep 21, 2019

KikoSpurs said:
I think today is very clear that Poch is the problem.

I was nearly going to thumbs-up this. Then I thought about a few years ago when we needed to secure all are 'untouchable players' on long-term contracts and build competition into the squad. We didn't and that's not on Poch, but the board.

scat1620 · Sep 21, 2019

Darth Vega said:
I'm undecided as to whether i'm in the in or out camp yet, but the one thing I really can't be sure on is who replaces him if he does get sacked. People throw out Allegri's name, but his style of football is really unexciting. Not only is he completely unproven outside of Italy, we'd be bored to tears even if we did win - I can't see us being happy with that. Who is left? Mourinho? I have no idea where I stand on him either given the last couple of years, but I can't confidently say he'd be a better option than Poch.

shelfboy68 · Sep 21, 2019

riggi said:
This was all a lot easier when we were actually shit wasn’t it?

Looks like we are trying to get back there my only hope is that hammers lose tomorrow otherwise my phone will go mental with the usual shit like I got the last two nights and I'm on holiday as well got to love them.

riggi · Sep 21, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
Looks like we are trying to get back there my only hope is that hammers lose tomorrow otherwise my phone will go mental with the usual shit like I got the last two nights and I'm on holiday as well got to love them.

Couple in the pub. Good as gold tbh. We do keep giving them stuff to chirp about though don’t we.

CookieYiddo · Sep 21, 2019

He’s been great, truly wonderful times under Poch. But we all need to face it, we aren’t that team anymore. We are weak, clueless and a shadow of the force that we were. Teams were scared of us, now they all want to play us because they know they can get something.

We need something new. Players and Manger.

Thanks Poch, you’ve been incredible but it’s time.

shelfboy68 · Sep 21, 2019

Darth Vega said:
I'm undecided as to whether i'm in the in or out camp yet, but the one thing I really can't be sure on is who replaces him if he does get sacked. People throw out Allegri's name, but his style of football is really unexciting. Not only is he completely unproven outside of Italy, we'd be bored to tears even if we did win - I can't see us being happy with that. Who is left? Mourinho? I have no idea where I stand on him either given the last couple of years, but I can't confidently say he'd be a better option than Poch.

When you fire an employee, you need to be confident that you can hire someone who is better than him.

If poch was to get fired in all honesty what level of manager would you expect because remember whoever comes in has to share Levy's philosophy like we read about yesterday, which is we purchase player's when they are a foetus basically so that they are affordable and can be sold on to make enic even more money oh and if by chance we win something well that is fine but shouldn't detract from the real business of money making.

shelfboy68 · Sep 21, 2019

riggi said:
Couple in the pub. Good as gold tbh. We do keep giving them stuff to chirp about though don’t we.

Yeah we do they have nothing to cheer about than us fucking things up which we do on a regular basis.

wirE · Sep 21, 2019

GMI said:
I agree. If we get both of those two in we’ll be flying. Not sure Levy would sanction it though. ?

Spare the irony will u?

Deleted member 27995 · Sep 21, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
If poch was to get fired in all honesty when level of manager would you expect because remember whoever comes in has to share Levy's philosophy like we read about yesterday, which is we purchase player's when they are a foetus basically so that they are affordable and can be sold on to make enic even more money oh and if by chance we win something well that is fine but shouldn't detract from the real business of money making.

Poch would still bring on Wanyama to be fair even if the foetus was the second coming of Beckenbauer.

dagraham · Sep 21, 2019

Shadydan said:
Levy isn't going to sack him if we're maintaining the push for CL spots, if we are floundering in mid table say in Dec/Jan with no sign of progression then he's a goner but it's far to early to be thinking about that.

Exactly. I’m sure we’ll beat Southampton next week. Doubt very much we’ll make the top four though as we’re simply too inconsistent, but that won’t be enough to sack Poch in Sept/October.

JayB · Sep 21, 2019

I completely agree with those saying that the 2018 summer window is where it all went to shit. It felt as though the players, coaches, and supporters alike were absolutely stunned by what happened and there has been a dark cloud hanging over the club ever since.

The players themselves were disgracefully (IMO) run into the ground as a result of the threadbare squad last season, with Winks, Sissoko, Eriksen, Davies, Dier and I believe a sixth player as well needing groin surgery to correct the issues caused by overwork. Even some of those that didn't need the surgery seem to have suffered lasting effects that could well plague them for the rest of their careers e.g. Dele and his hamstring troubles. Little wonder why there was so much unrest and so many players wanting out of the club this summer after the way they had been run into the ground.

Personally I blame Levy more than Poch for what happened in the summer of 2018 and the long-lasting ramifications we've suffered from it, but I think I may be at my breaking point. The comity and collective spirit that pervaded the club has completely gone, replaced with moping and groaning and repeated displays of poor mentality. I love Poch and it's incredibly harsh on him given how much he's overachieved with the tools he's been given by Levy, but I'm just not sure there's any way out of it other than through a fresh start.

homer hotspur · Sep 21, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
If poch was to get fired in all honesty what level of manager would you expect because remember whoever comes in has to share Levy's philosophy like we read about yesterday, which is we purchase player's when they are a foetus basically so that they are affordable and can be sold on to make enic even more money oh and if by chance we win something well that is fine but shouldn't detract from the real business of money making.

mid - season appointments are very difficult. You probably bring in someoone on a short term deal to add to all the players also coming to end of contracts. All assistants would go with him too.

THFC_SWE · Sep 21, 2019

You can blame Levy for the lack of transfers, but you can't blame him for 5-4-9 in the latest 18 games. Our team and squad is better than that. That's on Pochettinho and no one else.

Shadydan · Sep 21, 2019

dagraham said:
Exactly. I’m sure we’ll beat Southampton next week. Doubt very much we’ll make the top four though as we’re simply too inconsistent, but that won’t be enough to sack Poch in Sept/October.

Saving grace is that Utd Chelsea and Arsenal are hardly consistent either.

JayB · Sep 21, 2019

THFC_SWE said:
You can blame Levy for the lack of transfers, but you can't blame him for 5-4-9 in the latest 18 games. Our team and squad is better than that. That's on Pochettinho and no one else.

I think the point is that the fatigue/injuries and toxic atmosphere at the club, which many would consider to be the root causes of our poor end to last season and poor start to this season, stemmed from Levy's failures in the transfer market.

I do agree though that at the end of the day the manager takes the blame and that changing managers is often the only way to bring about the change in atmosphere that we're crying out for. Sadly I think we may be approaching that point with Poch unless he can find a way to revitalize the squad, and soon.

sausage · Sep 21, 2019

homer hotspur said:
mid - season appointments are very difficult. You probably bring in someoone on a short term deal to add to all the players also coming to end of contracts. All assistants would go with him too.

"Joe, It's 'Arry.

We're getting the band back together"

shelfboy68 · Sep 21, 2019

homer hotspur said:
mid - season appointments are very difficult. You probably bring in someoone on a short term deal to add to all the players also coming to end of contracts. All assistants would go with him too.

The state of the club considering how we looked a couple of seasons ago pochs brave new world etc and now look at us.

Hazelton · Sep 21, 2019

This team doesn't play like a Pochettino team anymore, that's the most worrying thing. The extremely high standards and strict enforcing of the high-press has just vanished.

This team peaked when we competed with Leicester and Chelsea and has been in decline ever since, purely because we rested on our laurels and didn't continue to push on and improve the team. We should've added at least one quality player every season to keep things fresh. It's no wonder it has become stale.

shelfboy68 · Sep 21, 2019

Shadydan said:
Saving grace is that Utd Chelsea and Arsenal are hardly consistent either.

dagraham · Sep 21, 2019

Hazelton said:
This team doesn't play like a Pochettino team anymore, that's the most worrying thing. The extremely high standards and strict enforcing of the high-press has just vanished.

This team peaked when we competed with Leicester and Chelsea and has been in decline ever since, purely because we rested on our laurels and didn't continue to push on and improve the team. We should've added at least one quality player every season to keep things fresh. It's no wonder it has become stale.

Yep. Did the same thing when Redknapp was here. As I’ve repeated many times in different threads, the best time to invest in the team is from a position of strength.

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