The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 1st December 2018

DiscoD1882 · Dec 31, 2018

It’s abundantly clear we don’t want any more “potential” players we want proven quality. And every potential player takes up an unneeded place in the squad. I couldn’t care less if we sign someone in January. I really couldn’t. All the doomongers journalists and football manager blowhards have been proven absolutely wrong so far.

allatsea · Dec 31, 2018

DiscoD1882 said:
It’s abundantly clear we don’t want any more “potential” players we want proven quality. And every potential player takes up an unneeded place in the squad. I couldn’t care less if we sign someone in January. I really couldn’t. All the doomongers journalists and football manager blowhards have been proven absolutely wrong so far.

Clear to who ? Not the club as from Hercules info we are clearly trying to bring in “potential” players.

Primativ · Dec 31, 2018

Trix said:
It's a fair enough point rethe likes of Kovacic, but let's be honest how good has he actually been. In fact how many loan players have come in for the top 6 sides and hit the ground running? Truth is if they are only here for the short term then that's what they need to do. On top of that we know very well Poch likes to bed players in first and get them up to his fitness standards. Loans are great for lesser clubs that need a boost, but for the top sides they are rarely a good option without a purchase agreement in place.

One thing I will say, all the teams at the top bar maybe City and Liverpool, have gaps in their first 11.

Chelsea need a striker.
Arsenal need a defence.
United need a defence.
We need a central midfield.

It seems Liverpool have been the ones who have done well. They needed a CB and CMs and were decisive in the market. It was also fortunate that there was an elite level player in VVD who was at a club outside the top 6 and obtainable. They put the money up and thus showed ambition.

Thing is I look around the league and I don’t see an outstanding CM who is obtainable. There are potential a couple of good ones but then the problem is Levy will not pay up the money to buy a star player from another PL club like Liverpool have done.

For me it does seem like we’ve hit a ceiling in regards to how we improve from here.

We don’t pay the wages or the fees for elite players. We aren’t a big enough name to attract them by our stature. We are a bit stuck.

Buying potential from the championship for me is not good enough. These players may or may not come good in a few years but they aren’t going to win us a title and it won’t convince Poch and Kane that we are a club going for the big prizes.

DiscoD1882 · Dec 31, 2018

allatsea said:
Clear to who ? Not the club as from Hercules info we are clearly trying to bring in “potential” players.

No. If we get them. We are loaning then straight back. As he said.

DiscoD1882 · Dec 31, 2018

doctor stefan Freud said:
Like it. More importantly, will you be spinning any disco tunes tonight?

Disco D is NOT spinning any tunes to night ooooh!! He’s stuck at home with the dustbin lids. ?

I am on the 19th Jan though.

doctor stefan Freud · Dec 31, 2018

Says a lot about our potential window when the vegan thread is more popular than this one

kmk · Dec 31, 2018

allatsea said:
Liverpool keep selling their best player/s for top dollar then they are able to overpay for the players they want to bring in.

Liverpool also paid £26.8 million in agent fees last season which was the highest in the Premier League.

Agent fees are a huge reason why we end up missing out on higher profile targets.

doctor stefan Freud · Dec 31, 2018

kmk said:
Liverpool also paid £26.8 million is agent fees last season which was the highest in the Premier League.

Agent fees are a huge reason why we end up missing out on higher profile targets.

Might be something we have to review now that we’re struggling to get the next level player

JUSTINSIGNAL · Dec 31, 2018

Trix said:
There is 100% money to spend but only on the very few players we have shortlisted. If they are for whatever reason unobtainable that will be it. Poch has told Levy he needs signings but doesn't want to sign players just to get numbers in.

If only the "just back Poch FFS Levy" crew would take note of this bit...

Mr Pink · Dec 31, 2018

The thing that perplexes me, slightly anyway, is that we should be a seriously attractive proposition now, and not just for young up and coming players, but seasoned pros as well.

We have come a long way in the last five years, playing a style of football that has most neutrals drooling over, and a manager who improves just about everyone he works with.

We have the long term infrastructure slotting into place with the new stadium/training facilities and the overall landscape surrounding the Club looks pretty as hell.

All we need is a few Quality additions to make that final step and we're potentially there.

Obviously it's never easy trying to improve a very good squad as it is, and I know we're hamstrung to an extent with the new stadium and what monies we're prepared to pay - although we'll never know the intricate detail on such - but I'm at a loss as to why we only ever hear negative snippets regarding potential signings.

Should we not be trying desperately to ride the crest of this wave before we're dismantled by our so called rivals?

$hoguN · Dec 31, 2018

Hercules said:
Sorry for dampeners. Aside from my first post yesterday regarding possible loan backs. I am told very firmly that our preferred targets have much different preferences, and are prepared to hold out for them. Both January, and in the summer.

If they also prefer moves elsewhere why wait for them, particularly if that will also be the case in the summer. We seem happy to stand still

Dillspur · Dec 31, 2018

The last bit of itk from hercules is disappointing and I think this will ultimately be our undoing with Poch. We are not at the elite level, so players are not seeing us as first choice, we are also not willing to spend big on wages to persuade players to take a chance on us.

We are probably 3rd or 4th choice for many of these players and then on top of that they will probably ask for release clauses.

We are stuck, we can't have a run at top tier players because we're not contending and we can't contend because we can't go for top tier players.

I do like the way we are run and when we do win something it'll be so much sweeter! But I can't help thinking that without serious investment we will always fall just short.

Hoddle&Waddle · Dec 31, 2018

bceej said:
Earlier in December. Think it was more than scouts have watched him.

Hopefully, he's real talent imo.

rajmak · Dec 31, 2018

Towards the end of the last transfer window we were strongly linked with Stanislav Lobotka. Not sure if the reports were true or even if he is still a target but he has a release clause of around £31m and not sure if these are the type of players we should be looking at instead of the ones fancied by the elite clubs who are out of our reach?

punkisback · Dec 31, 2018

Primativ said:
One thing I will say, all the teams at the top bar maybe City and Liverpool, have gaps in their first 11.

Chelsea need a striker.
Arsenal need a defence.
United need a defence.
We need a central midfield.

It seems Liverpool have been the ones who have done well. They needed a CB and CMs and were decisive in the market. It was also fortunate that there was an elite level player in VVD who was at a club outside the top 6 and obtainable. They put the money up and thus showed ambition.

Thing is I look around the league and I don’t see an outstanding CM who is obtainable. There are potential a couple of good ones but then the problem is Levy will not pay up the money to buy a star player from another PL club like Liverpool have done.

For me it does seem like we’ve hit a ceiling in regards to how we improve from here.

We don’t pay the wages or the fees for elite players. We aren’t a big enough name to attract them by our stature. We are a bit stuck.

Buying potential from the championship for me is not good enough. These players may or may not come good in a few years but they aren’t going to win us a title and it won’t convince Poch and Kane that we are a club going for the big prizes.

Then we have to be a lot more meticulous and studious with our scouting. I think we've been very poor at this.

St José Dominguez · Dec 31, 2018

nedley said:
How bitterly disappointing. Again I appreciate the info but these excuses are wearing thin for me.

To say it's hard to improve the squad. I'm fed up of hearing it. Been hearing it since bloody Redknapp.

Wheres our scouting? I don't believe for one minute that De Jong, Ndombele and Rabiot are the only CMS in the WORLD that would improve us.

If there is money there then find a player or two and get them in.

It’s very convenient that the only players we feel would improve us in CM, ones who would cost vast sums of money either in transfer fees or contracts are apparently holding out for the likes of Barca. Of course I’m absolutely certain if say De Jong whatsapped Levy saying “Danny I’m yours” that we’d sign him for circa £55m without selling a player first to help fund it.

With respect to ITK until proven otherwise I am continuing to refuse to believe we have a single penny to spend before we sell.

scottlag10 · Dec 31, 2018

Trix said:
. We were hoping the stadium might sway a couple that we have been chasing and are sitting on the fence, the fact that this will not happen till after January is not helpful in the short term.

The new Stadium in all its glory is there to look around and impress, can't see that it not being open for a few more weeks would be an issue for any potential Signing.

Darrenh61 · Dec 31, 2018

Breathtaking arrogance from the club that there aren’t midfield players available who couldn’t improve our midfield options. I simply do not believe that! It’s unfair to judge kovacic on five months, we nearly sold Son after one whole year with us...If we believe poch to be the coach he is the he will improve the output of selected options? We can not afford to stop bringing in fresh faces, it creates competition and healthy tension amongst the existing squad!

Primativ · Dec 31, 2018

Not to mention whilst Kovacic hasn’t set the world alight he’s a much better option to have in the squad than promoting the likes of Skipp. Nothing against the kid but to win major prizes we need better strength in depth and the club can hardly feign surprise that Wanyama and Dembele have been on the injury table all season.

Our CM is running on empty. I fear for us tomorrow.

HildoSpur · Dec 31, 2018

Primativ said:
Not to mention whilst Kovacic hasn’t set the world alight he’s a much better option to have in the squad than promoting the likes of Skipp. Nothing against the kid but to win major prizes we need better strength in depth and the club can hardly feign surprise that Wanyama and Dembele have been on the injury table all season.

Our CM is running on empty. I fear for us tomorrow.

I don't know about that - I'd much rather bring Skipp through and give him a chance than bring in an over-payed and overrated player on loan who is barely interested.

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