They were saying the complete opposite after their previous game. Just normal football fan knee-jerk nonsense.Comments from VillaTalk on Onomah after the derby game:
'A very poor player. Send him home.'
'Had a complete mare. Worst performance I've seen from him.'
'That was probably the worst performance I have seen from a player without him being substituted.
He is so inconsistent but overall he has been disappointing and I expected far more from him.'
'The guy is just crap. Seen nothing to suggest he should be getting game time over our own youngsters.'
'Was shite today. I'm not overly impressed so far. '
'O'Hare and Grealish should be playing in front of him.
I don't think Onomah is much better than either of them, but at least they are our players.'
'Thought he was abysmal today, young player still but that was not good enough. '
'He plays like he is out for a kick about in the park with his mates. Not a care in the world. Spurs fan rave about him and want him to replace Dembele. He is a million miles away.'
'He was dreadful today. The occasion was too big today for him. Bruce didn't help him, he should have subbed him as opposed to snodgrass and hourihane '
'He definitely isn't good enough for spurs that's for sure on evidence of today'
'He's obviously a talented player however he always gets outmuscled on the ball and is very wasteful in possession. I am yet to really see what he does, and in our team is pretty much a luxury player. I'd never play him in away game again.'
'Another player with far more attitude and confidence than his work rate and talent deserve. No way will Spurs want him back based on his spell with us so far. Got lost, doesn't fight for the ball and rarely passes. Not sure what role he plays but think we've got a lot better options from Hogan, Grealish, O'Hare etc.'
'What quality? To watch is people run off him and in behind him every 2 minutes. There is a reason why he is played advanced and when we play for 442 he is dropped and quite simple it is because he doesn't want to do the dirty work.'
'Your typical academy product nowadays. Looked scared shitless, didn't want to be there, didn' want the ball. Just wanted to be at home playing XBox.'
'He didn't follow his runner a few times.
Thought he was abysmal today, young player still but that was not good enough.'
There are also a lot of comments in much larger posts about him being both mentally and physically lazy; refusing to track runners or fight for the ball. No doubt some people will pass the blame on to Steve Bruce or whatever instead of admitting Josh has significant flaws in his own game and attitude. I like Onomah, personally, and have seen some good things from him, but if he gets this kind of reception at Villa then I can't imagine why people would want him to be starting in central midfield here.
They were saying the complete opposite after their previous game. Just normal football fan knee-jerk nonsense.
They were saying the complete opposite after their previous game. Just normal football fan knee-jerk nonsense.
He’s was more off a striker than a 10 imoHe once again was played at 10 when he is a CM. is there any surprise he was out of the game?
There are also a lot of comments in much larger posts about him being both mentally and physically lazy; refusing to track runners or fight for the ball. No doubt some people will pass the blame on to Steve Bruce or whatever instead of admitting Josh has significant flaws in his own game and attitude. I like Onomah, personally, and have seen some good things from him, but if he gets this kind of reception at Villa then I can't imagine why people would want him to be starting in central midfield here.
Perfectly happy to hear he isn't getting on well or for any facet of his game to be criticised. I just don't think it is fair to play someone who has gone to you to play CM as a 10 and then complain when the games passes him by. It's stupidSo that means every time they’ve praised him it must also have been nonsense?
The inability of some people on here to accept any criticism of any of our players is bizarre. These guys are watching him every week and you think their opinions are invalid because you don’t like what they’re saying.
I think wrongly, both managers would rather go with a stronger player in CM and think Onomah is too lightweight for CMQuestion - why is it that Poch and Bruce do not see Onomah as a CM? There has to be something they see - imo - that keeps them pushing Josh into a more advanced role.
I am not yet ready to concede that SC posters know more about football than Poch and Bruce - combined. Convince me you know better!
You're like that guy Remus from Boardwalk Empire.BC has never accepted that Dembele was indispensable, even when it was fashionable to do so.
Question - why is it that Poch and Bruce do not see Onomah as a CM? There has to be something they see - imo - that keeps them pushing Josh into a more advanced role.
I am not yet ready to concede that SC posters know more about football than Poch and Bruce - combined. Convince me you know better!
Nice response.let's be honest, nothing anyone here says is going to convince you of that.
for what it's worth though, i think neither manager trusts him to be defensively disciplined enough in his positioning or tracking of runners but they see he has quality on the ball and want to get him in the side so push him forward where any perceived defensive frailties are less important. he has flaws but he's 20 years old, of course there are going to be parts to his game that need improving but the important thing is that in his actual position he has a ton of positives and the further forward you move him the more of those positives you take away. yesterday he was virtually playing as a striker with villa lumping the ball up to him and kodjia, anyone judging him on that game are stupid.
i really am a big fan of his but it's not just blind faith. if villa want a striker i wouldn't pick onomah over keinan davis, if they want a #10 i wouldn't pick him over callum o'hare, if they want someone to play on the left I wouldn't pick him over grealish but i would pick him over any cm they have there 100%. it's funny because villa fans lay into onomah for having a poor game and yet they say nothing about hourihane who nearly cost them a goal by playing a blind back-pass leading to a 1v1, or nothing about whelan who shat his pants on the halfway line and fell over gifting birmingham another great chance, no they just lay into the spurs kid who struggled to get into the game with the ball being lumped over his head all game.
honestly i'd rather he didn't play again if he's going to continue to be misused, all it will do is attract more criticism and probably dent his confidence as a result. this loan always looked a poor fit from the off and i have no idea how he ended up with them when there were reportedly far better equipped sides in for him.
Question - why is it that Poch and Bruce do not see Onomah as a CM? There has to be something they see - imo - that keeps them pushing Josh into a more advanced role.
I am not yet ready to concede that SC posters know more about football than Poch and Bruce - combined. Convince me you know better!
Nice response.
Its not that I need convincing, its that I think at some point, for maybe lots of different reasons, CM is not his best position at the senior level. Despite playing well in that position at younger levels, perhaps he is missing something that manager want/need to see to trust him in a CM role - so if he does not have those things - its not his "best position".
I think the loan is good for him - but I think he needs to learn to accept that he has to perform higher up the pitch, or he is not going to get the opportunities at this level.
You could make the case that Dele's best position is at CM - but for perhaps similar reasons, Poch was reluctant to play him deeper. Dele still made the most of his opportunities at the more advanced positions, and now two years later, Dele is starting to see some deeper responsibilities. Players have to take whats available, not demand certain opportunities.
Onomah needs to fight to get on the pitch, in whatever position the manager wants - as he matures, he may settle in a deeper role, but for now it seems like he has to adapt to playing further up. If he does not adapt, he will find himself left behind in lower leagues, and he owes it to himself to do what it takes so that does not happen.
I think I addressed this above - is it possible, that, at the senior level, CM is not his best position?Why is it John McDermott, Ugo Ehiogu and all England youth coaches think he is a CM and not a striker/AM. I'll also add Bruce said he thought Josh was a CM.
You don't have to believe any SC posters but I'll believe McDermott, England coaches and former PL players with regards to where they think he plays best than one manager. Managers and coaches don't all agree with each other. I'll believe the ones that are responsible for producing quality players rather than the managers stifling their opportunities.