I hope there weren't any Stoke scouts at that game.
These days you probable mean West Brom tho...they were violent vs us and after their next match vs 'Pool , Klopp was in a state of shock , called it a war..
So the fans started it during the game? You've just given another example of why fans in Turkish football should be banned permanently. The keeper had something hit his face and something was lobbed in a linesman's direction among countless items and flares thrown onto the pitch.Don't be so disingenuous, I obviously meant they were 30 points clear of the team they had just played (because it was followed up by "it's not like they'd just won a 6-pointer").
My only point in the other thread was that, under those specific circumstances - one of the more bitter rivalries in European football, the fans hate each other, there's often trouble from/between groups of Turkish fans at the best of times, the home fans had been pelting them with whatever they could lay their hands on during the match - there should've been a bit more common sense about it. Maybe think "these fans are fucking furious and have been physically abusing us at every opportunity, should we a) exercise a bit of caution and get off the pitch or b) dance around minutes after the whistle and rub it in their faces lol".
It's not a "celebration police" thing, it's a "fucking hell, it's a tinderbox in here, if we celebrate exuberantly in the middle of the pitch for 5 minutes after the whistle, it could start an actual riot" thing.
This is what they were getting from the home fans during the match:
Crowd trouble is always a symptom of wider societal problems, especially in a nation as unstable as Turkey. You can ban the fans, but violence will spill out elsewhere. It is better to keep them contained in stadiums, where they can expel that energy - is the line of thinking used. Turkish football is extremely political, with the tribal factions splitting across political ideologies and religion. The country is currently on a knife edge, but it always is. That's why the people are crazy—myself included.So the fans started it during the game? You've just given another example of why fans in Turkish football should be banned permanently. The keeper had something hit his face and something was lobbed in a linesman's direction among countless items and flares thrown onto the pitch.
I don't blame the players for having the last laugh in this case. The fans provoked the players, not the other way round.
At no point have I said the fans didn't start it or absolved them of any of the blame but this situation after the match could've been avoided had the players, knowing full well everything I said above, moderated their behaviour.So the fans started it during the game? You've just given another example of why fans in Turkish football should be banned permanently. The keeper had something hit his face and something was lobbed in a linesman's direction among countless items and flares thrown onto the pitch.
I don't blame the players for having the last laugh in this case. The fans provoked the players, not the other way round.
You mean like what Souness done all them years ago? I know he’s a bit mad but there must be something in the water out there, whenever I hear Turkish football mentioned this is always my first memory!It's not a "celebration police" thing, it's a "fucking hell, it's a tinderbox in here, if we celebrate exuberantly in the middle of the pitch for 5 minutes after the whistle, it could start an actual riot" thing.
Sorry but how is Turkey unstable ?Crowd trouble is always a symptom of wider societal problems, especially in a nation as unstable as Turkey. You can ban the fans, but violence will spill out elsewhere. It is better to keep them contained in stadiums, where they can expel that energy - is the line of thinking used. Turkish football is extremely political, with the tribal factions splitting across political ideologies and religion. The country is currently on a knife edge, but it always is. That's why the people are crazy—myself included.
If you ban the fans from stadiums, they will just wait outside. I'm not joking. If you are part of the police or security forces, what would you prefer?
Because of tectonics?Sorry but how is Turkey unstable ?
I'll provide a short summary, but I will stress that the situation is complex and that this isn't the best place for a discussion.Sorry but how is Turkey unstable ?