FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Mr Pink · Feb 20, 2014

yusrisafri said:
We definitely overpaid for Soldado. He can have all the flicks and good link play in the world, but if you continue missing clearcut chances week in week out and scoring only 3 times in open play the entire season, youre not worth rm26mil.

Even if some will defend him by saying townsend didn't feed him or he didnt get much service, we paid 26mil for him FFS. At that price you would expect him to be able to MAKE his own chances! He wasn't bought for that kind of game you say? His 26mil was foro the goal poacher instincts you say? Then FFS score those clearcut chances!!

You see there is absolutely no way you can defend him, whichever angle you look at it from.

He's not the first big signing to have a poor first season and he'll not be the last.

I think that's harsh, especially when you consider our problems with creating enough clear cut chances under AVB.

I'm still backing him to come good.

If its still the same story well into next season, well then it might be time to start conceding that it isn't going to work out but until then he'll certainly have my full support.

yusrisafri · Feb 20, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
When we bought him, he was definitely worth around that sort of money

That alone will tell you hes not worth that sort of money. When youre a 26mil and an experienced 28 year old footballer, you're expected to have the mental strength to play in whatever situation and recover well from setbacks.

We made a mistake

THFCSPURS19 · Feb 20, 2014

yusrisafri said:
That alone will tell you hes not worth that sort of money. When youre a 26mil and an experienced 28 year old footballer, you're expected to have the mental strength to play in whatever situation and recover well from setbacks.

We made a mistake

Yes, it is difficult to defend him but he still might recover. You've written him off already

yusrisafri · Feb 20, 2014

Mr Pink said:
He's not the first big signing to have a poor first season and he'll not be the last.

I think that's harsh, especially when you consider our problems with creating enough clear cut chances under AVB.

I'm still backing him to come good.

If its still the same story well into next season, well then it might be time to start conceding that it isn't going to work out but until then he'll certainly have my full support.

But he is our first signing at 26mil that has had a disappointing first season. Youre talking about Bale? He was 10mil. You're talking about rebrov? He never had a good 2nd season. Postiga? Ditto rebrov. Who else?

We made a mistake, whichever angle you look at it from

Kendall · Feb 20, 2014

Mr Pink said:
He's not the first big signing to have a poor first season and he'll not be the last.

I think that's harsh, especially when you consider our problems with creating enough clear cut chances under AVB.

I'm still backing him to come good.

If its still the same story well into next season, well then it might be time to start conceding that it isn't going to work out but until then he'll certainly have my full support.

It's difficult to give a guy a season to write off when he cost 26m and is 28 and a seasoned international. This isn't Lamela at 21 we're talking about here. He was bought to score NOW and quite frankly Adebayor is now showing up every single limitation he has. Before Ade came back we could blame everyone else, there's nobody to blame now. Soldado is not doing enough to justify a wage, let alone a place in the team.

spurs-r-us · Feb 20, 2014

Kiedis said:
I'd hoped we'd taken this seriously enough to start Lloris.

Every goal is crucial in a knock out phase, and Friedel has become a liability.

I wasn't sure how you came to this conclusion before the match, and I'm still confused.

Kendall · Feb 20, 2014

yusrisafri said:
But he is our first signing at 26mil that has had a disappointing first season. Youre talking about Bale? He was 10mil. You're talking about rebrov? He never had a good 2nd season. Postiga? Ditto rebrov. Who else?

We made a mistake, whichever angle you look at it from

Bale was 17, Rebrov was 26 and turned out shite, Postiga was 20.

It doesn't bode well for Soldado in the face of this.

Kendall · Feb 20, 2014

spurs-r-us said:
I wasn't sure how you came to this conclusion before the match, and I'm still confused.

I thought friedel rescued our woeful defenders on a number of occasions. Must be a **** for not saving the penalty I guess.

nasescoba1985 · Feb 20, 2014

I think we will win at the lane boys and comfortably but tonights performance regardless of pitch was not good enough. Defence all over the place as usual and Roberto Soldado's frustrations are there to see as he kicked the post after missing that sitter. Feel really sorry for him but you can't be missing chances like thati'm afraid. Anyway all will be forgotten if we can muster up a decent win against Norwich then go through next week.

Kendall · Feb 21, 2014

idontgetit said:
Ignoring the pitch
and sloppy defending
and poor passing
and poor finishing

the single most concerning thing, is we didn't look like we were playing as a unit. Attack as a unit, defend as a unit. You can play like Stoke or you can play like Barcelona but either way the team plays as a unit. We were disjointed as fuck

The team didnt look like they really gave a flying fuck about this game. The ony person that showed any kind of heart was Soldado when he missed and that's only because he was embarrassed.

The team was completely going through the motions. This cup has become pointless, not because there are fans that don't appreciate it, but because the players consistently don't appreciate it.

It's not hard to win it. Fulham got to the fucking final, Chelsea won it last year without breaking sweat. These players simply do not give enough of a fuck to try.

yusrisafri · Feb 21, 2014

Kendall said:
It's difficult to give a guy a season to write off when he cost 26m and is 28 and a seasoned international. This isn't Lamela at 21 we're talking about here. He was bought to score NOW and quite frankly Adebayor is now showing up every single limitation he has. Before Ade came back we could blame everyone else, there's nobody to blame now. Soldado is not doing enough to justify a wage, let alone a place in the team.

Thank you. Someone talks sense

yusrisafri · Feb 21, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Yes, it is difficult to defend him but he still might recover. You've written him off already

I've written him off as a 26mil signing. See my initial post. Hes just not worth 26mil whichever angle you look at it. As kendall said, you cant pay 26mil for a 28year old seasoned international professional and afford him a woeful season.

Lilbaz · Feb 21, 2014

Kendall said:
It's difficult to give a guy a season to write off when he cost 26m and is 28 and a seasoned international. This isn't Lamela at 21 we're talking about here. He was bought to score NOW and quite frankly Adebayor is now showing up every single limitation he has. Before Ade came back we could blame everyone else, there's nobody to blame now. Soldado is not doing enough to justify a wage, let alone a place in the team.

Yet we were slagging off ade last season.

Kendall · Feb 21, 2014

Lilbaz said:
Yet we were slagging off ade last season.

Were you?

For shame.

Spurger King · Feb 21, 2014

Kendall said:
It's difficult to give a guy a season to write off when he cost 26m and is 28 and a seasoned international. This isn't Lamela at 21 we're talking about here. He was bought to score NOW and quite frankly Adebayor is now showing up every single limitation he has. Before Ade came back we could blame everyone else, there's nobody to blame now. Soldado is not doing enough to justify a wage, let alone a place in the team.

I can think of three games where he's had decent chances set up for him, and he's failed to convert them. All three of those games came after numerous matches where he was played in a position completely unsuited for him.

I couldn't give a shit if he cost 50m. If he's not played in the position he's been successful in, it's hardly going to be his fault if he struggles. Now he's finally in a set-up that suits his game, his confidence turns out to have been shot to pieces.

He's a great striker that has been utilised in an incredibly poor fashion. The whole situation reminds me of the way Liverpool misused Keane. Would anyone say that Keane became a shit striker overnight?

TheGreenLily · Feb 21, 2014

Kendall said:
Were you?

For shame.

He was shit last season... scored 4 goals in the league all season or something.

Misfit · Feb 21, 2014

That was properly shite. Almost hoping we don't turn it around in the home leg. Let the clubs that actually want to try and win this comp battle it out from here on.

jolsnogross · Feb 21, 2014

yusrisafri said:
I've written him off as a 26mil signing. See my initial post. Hes just not worth 26mil whichever angle you look at it. As kendall said, you cant pay 26mil for a 28year old seasoned international professional and afford him a woeful season.

I don't think you can have it both ways on Lamela and Soldado either. You seem to be excusing lamela, a 30 million signing, for his almost complete non contribution season, but are already calling the verdict on Soldado as settled. If anything, there's more reason to think Soldado will turn it around to look more like the 26 million signing he is than Lamela. But the truth is, Mr. Pink has it right; until we're at least half way into next season, it's unlikely that a proper judgement can be made on these guys, unless they are sold for a big loss before then. There plenty of time for these guys to not become the new bentleys.

fortworthspur · Feb 21, 2014

Soldado will come good.

Gaz_Gammon · Feb 21, 2014

yusrisafri said:
That alone will tell you hes not worth that sort of money. When youre a 26mil and an experienced 28 year old footballer, you're expected to have the mental strength to play in whatever situation and recover well from setbacks.

We made a mistake

If you think he's a problem what about the 30 million spent on the next Darren Anderton? At least Soldado turns up and plays in the odd game or three.

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