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AUSpur

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dondo - What's confusing you? The math? Me stating the FACT that you don't know if Bale is staying or not? That you can end up being right simply because there's only 2 possible answers and you're convinced of one of them?
 

dondo

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He may be off, but you don't KNOW that, and our net spend isn't particularly high when the new tv money is factored in. In short, you could end up with the right answer, but that doesn't mean your work getting there was valid.

I don't know anything, but if you use common sense and previous history it suggests bale is off.
I would love to be wrong, but do you seriously believe we have/ will sign Paulininho, Chadli, Soldado, Capone, willian, Lamela, and whoever else we are being linked with without the selling bale? or would the new tv money cover them signings?
 

thejames

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"Well following on from Sean's interesting comment on ENIC's previous sporting role, I wandered around the net a bit to check out Slavia Prague - and from what I can see they did the same as they did with us, bought a team in trouble, with a great history a long way detached from any success. They then invested in it, and turned it in to a two-time league winning, multiple CL qualifying (stage) team and sold on their investment. They bought in the fallow time of the 97 (after the previous owner Korbel sold off basically the entire '95 league winning team) and achieved 3 czech cup wins before two back-to-back titles in 08 and 09. It took 11 years for them to invest 'heavily' in the team and cement them as champions and qualify for the financially lucrative CL proper spot, and built the Eden stadium before selling on... You see any familiar signs here?

The new stadium was built in 08, 11 years after taking over. The league wins 08 and 09, 11 and 12 years after taking over. We announce a new stadium share issue 8 years after ENIC take control, and by 11 years in they've taken sole control and delisted.

I actually think ENIC have got form for this, looking at Slavia Prague, the final stages of their 'investment' being the completion of the new stadium. What's 100m invested now in the playing assets against a 5-10 year plan to 'get out' on max potential of a genuine title challenging team? As you say there's naming rights, there's massive global marketing money to be reaped... etc.
Hmmm"
 

dondo

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dondo - What's confusing you? The math? Me stating the FACT that you don't know if Bale is staying or not? That you can end up being right simply because there's only 2 possible answers and you're convinced of one of them?

You don't know shit either FACT. Im using common sense your just believing things you want to hear
 

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"Well following on from Sean's interesting comment on ENIC's previous sporting role, I wandered around the net a bit to check out Slavia Prague - and from what I can see they did the same as they did with us, bought a team in trouble, with a great history a long way detached from any success. They then invested in it, and turned it in to a two-time league winning, multiple CL qualifying (stage) team and sold on their investment. They bought in the fallow time of the 97 (after the previous owner Korbel sold off basically the entire '95 league winning team) and achieved 3 czech cup wins before two back-to-back titles in 08 and 09. It took 11 years for them to invest 'heavily' in the team and cement them as champions and qualify for the financially lucrative CL proper spot, and built the Eden stadium before selling on... You see any familiar signs here?

The new stadium was built in 08, 11 years after taking over. The league wins 08 and 09, 11 and 12 years after taking over. We announce a new stadium share issue 8 years after ENIC take control, and by 11 years in they've taken sole control and delisted.

I actually think ENIC have got form for this, looking at Slavia Prague, the final stages of their 'investment' being the completion of the new stadium. What's 100m invested now in the playing assets against a 5-10 year plan to 'get out' on max potential of a genuine title challenging team? As you say there's naming rights, there's massive global marketing money to be reaped... etc.
Hmmm"


That's it. Thank you, tj. (y)
 

AUSpur

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I don't know anything, but if you use common sense and previous history it suggests bale is off.
I would love to be wrong, but do you seriously believe we have/ will sign Paulininho, Chadli, Soldado, Capone, willian, Lamela, and whoever else we are being linked with without the selling bale? or would the new tv money cover them signings?


Never said the tv money would cover all of that. For you to make the leap you're making, though, and claim we KNOW Bale's gone, you have to assume we'll buy Lamela AND Willian and that the rumored £50 mil injection in the club from Lewis didnt happen. We don't know if we'll buy either of them or if the money's been invested. What we know is what has happened so far. Anything else is conjecture. You're not crazy for thinking Bale's off, but it's ridiculous to say you KNOW he's off and that anybody who disagrees is in denial.
 

mil1lion

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I don't know anything, but if you use common sense and previous history it suggests bale is off.
I would love to be wrong, but do you seriously believe we have/ will sign Paulininho, Chadli, Soldado, Capone, willian, Lamela, and whoever else we are being linked with without the selling bale? or would the new tv money cover them signings?
Actually history suggests we will keep Bale one more season as we did with Berbatov and Modric.

I can absolutely see us making these great signings and keeping Bale. The rewards could be well worth it, especially if we get back into the Champions League as a result. We may well sell Bale next summer and get most of the money back in one sweep. It's not like we can't spend heavy this window and make it back later down the line. Most of our deals are paid over a few years anyway.
 

KILLA_SIN

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"Well following on from Sean's interesting comment on ENIC's previous sporting role, I wandered around the net a bit to check out Slavia Prague - and from what I can see they did the same as they did with us, bought a team in trouble, with a great history a long way detached from any success. They then invested in it, and turned it in to a two-time league winning, multiple CL qualifying (stage) team and sold on their investment. They bought in the fallow time of the 97 (after the previous owner Korbel sold off basically the entire '95 league winning team) and achieved 3 czech cup wins before two back-to-back titles in 08 and 09. It took 11 years for them to invest 'heavily' in the team and cement them as champions and qualify for the financially lucrative CL proper spot, and built the Eden stadium before selling on... You see any familiar signs here?

The new stadium was built in 08, 11 years after taking over. The league wins 08 and 09, 11 and 12 years after taking over. We announce a new stadium share issue 8 years after ENIC take control, and by 11 years in they've taken sole control and delisted.

I actually think ENIC have got form for this, looking at Slavia Prague, the final stages of their 'investment' being the completion of the new stadium. What's 100m invested now in the playing assets against a 5-10 year plan to 'get out' on max potential of a genuine title challenging team? As you say there's naming rights, there's massive global marketing money to be reaped... etc.
Hmmm"

Makes sense, all the money is made in selling businesses .
 

neogenisis

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I had an interesting thought about Bale -

Until he goes...he is a Spurs player...
Im not a fan of the *Bale is gone* brigade..in fact it pisses me off as you or the ITK's dont know it for a fact. So until he is sold be it now or next season or at a boot sale in Southampton in 2034 he is a Spurs player.
 

HobbitSpur

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I think that that benefits us. We are now in this season, which means that next season would be the 2014/15 season when we will be in the Champions league. Welcome to Spurs Fabio!!
;)
 

talkshowhost86

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I had an interesting thought about Bale -

Until he goes...he is a Spurs player...
Im not a fan of the *Bale is gone* brigade..in fact it pisses me off as you or the ITK's dont know it for a fact. So until he is sold be it now or next season or at a boot sale in Southampton in 2034 he is a Spurs player.


Maybe...but, if we're being realistic, a Spurs player who won't actually play for Spurs because he wants to go elsewhere.
 
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