The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE 10th August 2012

Stoof · Aug 10, 2012

Francis Gibbs said:
there are strikers in between Adebayor/Damiao and Julian Joachim, I assume thats why we have an extensive scouting network.

I don't know where I sit with this argument.

If the fans are demanding a world class striker - which we apparently are - then we'll know him. We're not going to uncover a gem that ends up being better than Aguero or Rooney.

So, like I say, I don't know where I sit with the argument.

Riandor · Aug 10, 2012

Gardham90 said:
Levy has done a fantastic job up until this point. He deserves a lot more faith shown in him IMO.

Yes he does, but that does not mean he is above criticism.
He has had a torrid time of it personally too recently, so that is to be taken into consideration, but the leadership "team", as it's not just Levy... need to at some point nail some targets where it matters.

I appreciate it's a fine line, but we are cutting it all a little close (again) are we not? You would expect that AVB would have been very clear about his goals and ambitions and the personnel he needed to do that and the leadership team has to deliver at some point or accept that AVB is unlikely to succeed with his aims.

By the way, can we ban all negative ITK from JJ?! Lol... just to keep the mood in here civil!!

jedimonkey · Aug 10, 2012

I'm feeling remarkably calm about everything at the moment. That pinchy, deep, strong, big wank that Stoof recommended we all take earlier seems to have done the business.

Not sure why he mentioned tea, salt and breaths though.

brasil_spur · Aug 10, 2012

Ledley's Right Foot said:
Leandro Damião só sai por 60 milhões

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Já agora 61 Milhões não??
Tottenham não vai fazer o negócio por 20 ou 30 milhões, como se tem escrito. Quem quiser Damião, tem que pagar a cláusula de rescisão, cifrada em 60 milhões.
O Tottenham está interessado em obter o concurso de Leandro Damião, mas, à edição e-paper e impressa d'O JOGO, o presidente do Internacional de Porto Alegre garantiu que só pode adquirir o ponta de lança quem pagar a cláusula de rescisão. "Acho muito difícil que a transferência se realize. A não ser que o Tottenham pague os 60 milhões de euros previstos na cláusula", comentou Giovanni Luigi.

A vontade que Damião possa ter em sair, pouco conta neste caso. "Tem mais quatro anos de contrato e tem que os cumprir. É um jogador muito bem pago e não tem do que se queixar. E nós também não temos necessidade de vender. Somos um clube rico, com património invejável, com dinheiro e com tudo pago", acrescentou o dirigente brasileiro

Just to bring some info on the buy-out fee debate. The original article in O Jogo quotes Euro's. It states 60Million. However, it describes our previous bids as 20-30. Now, we may have bid €30mill for him already (but I seriously doubt it). This makes me suspect the president is referring to Brazilian currency and this newspaper has translated to €. That would make our previous bids between £6-10mil (sounds like Levy) and he's saying we need to bid £21mill to hit buy-out clauses. All guess work but I just can't get my head round any club saying this 'untried in europe' player is worth €60million. We're asking less than that from one of the largest clubs in the world for Modric. I reckon this has been Lost in translation rather than we've lost a transfer target.

HOLY MUFA FUCKA.... my Valium has worn off and i come back to the thread to find this being posted AGAIN, and with 2 x informative ratings, HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

I literally do not know how much more spelling out this can take.

IT IS €60m

Not R$60m which is piss all compared to what Inter think he is worth.

Sweet fucking jesus :cry:

Stoof · Aug 10, 2012

Colonel Dax said:
Nah, waste of energy. We'll just be going round in circles. You're like a solitary fireman in a burning village attempting to quell the raging inferno with a small bucket of water.

Right. Um, I win?

(I'm joking - you disagree with what I think, you've systematically "Disagreed" and "Dumbed" me, so I can only assume that's your stance).

I'll simplify people's arguments and attack them. I don't think that's necessarily a fallacy, but hey, you've taken exception to it/me so that's why I'd like to hear your counter.

brasil_spur · Aug 10, 2012

rebrab said:
I was going to post something similar to this last night but forgot, it appears it is well needed...

To halt the panic, I am going to reaffirm what I said a few days ago. Nothing has really changed since then, the steady progression has continued.

Nothing expected this week, but things to be done before Newcastle. 2, if all goes well. Definitely at least one.

When do all things ever go well for Spurs...

Stoof · Aug 10, 2012

brasil_spur said:
HOLY MUFA FUCKA.... my Valium has worn off and i come back to the thread to find this being posted AGAIN, and with 2 x informative ratings, HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

I literally do not know how much more spelling out this can take.

IT IS €60m

Not R$60m which is piss all compared to what Inter think he is worth.

Sweet fucking jesus

JJ has said it's not relevant buddy.

Colonel Dax · Aug 10, 2012

Stoof said:
I don't know where I sit with this argument.

If the fans are demanding a world class striker - which we apparently are - then we'll know him. We're not going to uncover a gem that ends up being better than Aguero or Rooney.

So, like I say, I don't know where I sit with the argument.

I think most fans are realistic and accept we aren't going to uncover the next Rooney. However why are Newcastle able to 'unearth' effective but relatively cheap strikers like Cisse and Ba, whereas we cannot? Something is obviously wrong with our scouting system.

brasil_spur · Aug 10, 2012

Stoof said:
JJ has said it's not relevant buddy.

Yeh i was here for that, but unless this has turned into the "JJ speaks we all listen to him and no-one else" thread i think i'll keep assuming that a) JJ doesn't know or say all (AVB prime example) and b) Just cause we think all is good doesn't mean that Inter/Leandro's agent won't start fucking us around like they did last time (you can ask JJ about this and he'll give you the full run down on what happened).

JUSTINSIGNAL · Aug 10, 2012

Fuck it. We're not going to buy a striker.

I'm off to take an overdose.

Stoof · Aug 10, 2012

Colonel Dax said:
I think most fans are realistic and accept we aren't going to uncover the next Rooney. However why are Newcastle able to 'unearth' effective but relatively cheap strikers like Cisse and Ba, whereas we cannot? Something is obviously wrong with our scouting system.

Well, Ba was a risk. (I still think his knees'll blow up).

As for Cisse - he was a gamble that paid off.

We've made plenty of (Postiga) gambles (Rebrov) and (Bent) they haven't come off. Maybe that's harsh to put them in the same bracket. Maybe Levy's been burned enough times with big money transfers (Bentley) that he's wary. Is that understandable? Perhaps.

I'd rather he took an extra week to get it right for 5 years - as per Spurger's sentiment above.

Archibald&Crooks · Aug 10, 2012

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Fuck it. We're not going to buy a striker.

I'm off to take an overdose.

Of Jelly Tots? I love Jelly Tots.

Bizness · Aug 10, 2012

Few bits of David info this afternoon, which I'm awaiting a PM reply as to whether he's happy for info to come across.

Nothing to do with strikers though

montylynch · Aug 10, 2012

Seems like FM silly season has begun. Do you think it really is that easy to get a player in, offer, counter offer, refusal, wages, loyalty, clauses, you don't just put a 10m bid in, and press the up arrow until they accept. Same as getting rid, you don't just hawk a player to clubs (x-exclude rival clubs) and hope that someone will purchase him. Come on, we've all offered JJ to someone on FM for 700k and still no-one takes him.

We've all got different views on it, although i have to say over the past few weeks the views on SC by some members have been a bit strange, for want of a better word. We know what DL's like, we've known for nth seasons what the guy is like. The way i see it is AVB is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Failure would be accepted as DL will get the blame for not getting a striker, or whatever position SC'ers deem necessary to fill. All this talk of AVB being pissed off already, do you really believe that, only 5/6 weeks into a job. Did he enter spurs blind, did he not see us play last year, did he arrive with absolutely zero knowledge of spurs.

Like i said, some comments on here from SC'ers astound me at times. Seeming to believe everything that has ITK in the title, scrolling through maylasiaspurs.com in the hope of a snippet that Bing Qim has heard that Lloris is keen.

Stoof · Aug 10, 2012

brasil_spur said:
Yeh i was here for that, but unless this has turned into the "JJ speaks we all listen to him and no-one else" thread i think i'll keep assuming that a) JJ doesn't know or say all (AVB prime example) and b) Just cause we think all is good doesn't mean that Inter/Leandro's agent won't start fucking us around like they did last time (you can ask JJ about this and he'll give you the full run down on what happened).

I know the details mate. I was just saying relying on one set of quotes isn't necessarily the end of the transfer. Understand the frustration re: money.

Just in case, folks, the chap did mean Euros. Euros.

cookiemonster · Aug 10, 2012

Stoof said:
Should we just sign any striker then?

I just don't understand people's thinking. If there are only a select number of targets who cannot be bought - what then? The fans'll be unhappy because we would have signed Julian Joachim?

Is it Levy's fault that City pay Ade £170k a week - a figure we can't match?

Is it Levy's fault if Inter won't sell us Damiao for a price?

Is it Levy's fault that Madrid won't pay up for Modric?

I mean the man can't win!!

Coz he is to be blamed

The bloke obviously fancy himself to be some sort of a transfer genius

He wants to buy low i.e Damiao 15m and sell high Modric 40m and expect the respective clubs to acquiesce to him

Stoof · Aug 10, 2012

montylynch said:
Seems like FM silly season has begun. Do you think it really is that easy to get a player in, offer, counter offer, refusal, wages, loyalty, clauses, you don't just put a 10m bid in, and press the up arrow until they accept. Same as getting rid, you don't just hawk a player to clubs (x-exclude rival clubs) and hope that someone will purchase him. Come on, we've all offered JJ to someone on FM for 700k and still no-one takes him.

We've all got different views on it, although i have to say over the past few weeks the views on SC by some members have been a bit strange, for want of a better word. We know what DL's like, we've known for nth seasons what the guy is like. The way i see it is AVB is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Failure would be accepted as DL will get the blame for not getting a striker, or whatever position SC'ers deem necessary to fill. All this talk of AVB being pissed off already, do you really believe that, only 5/6 weeks into a job. Did he enter spurs blind, did he not see us play last year, did he arrive with absolutely zero knowledge of spurs.

Like i said, some comments on here from SC'ers astound me at times. Seeming to believe everything that has ITK in the title, scrolling through maylasiaspurs.com in the hope of a snippet that Bing Qim has heard that Lloris is keen.

Abso-fucking-xactly.

Wellspurs · Aug 10, 2012

Riandor said:
Yes he does, but that does not mean he is above criticism.
He has had a torrid time of it personally too recently, so that is to be taken into consideration, but the leadership "team", as it's not just Levy... need to at some point nail some targets where it matters.

I appreciate it's a fine line, but we are cutting it all a little close (again) are we not? You would expect that AVB would have been very clear about his goals and ambitions and the personnel he needed to do that and the leadership team has to deliver at some point or accept that AVB is unlikely to succeed with his aims.

By the way, can we ban all negative ITK from JJ?! Lol... just to keep the mood in here civil!!

I agree, a quick look on this thread last night and I thought we would have several suicide cases not posting today.

Sum Monsterism · Aug 10, 2012

euro's? seriously?! why did no one mention this before?

I'm gonna have to dump the reply I've been working on since 10am? 150,000 words! :whistle:

HappySpur · Aug 10, 2012

Stoof said:
Should we just sign any striker then?

I just don't understand people's thinking. If there are only a select number of targets who cannot be bought - what then? The fans'll be unhappy because we would have signed Julian Joachim?

Is it Levy's fault that City pay Ade £170k a week - a figure we can't match?

Is it Levy's fault if Inter won't sell us Damiao for a price?

Is it Levy's fault that Madrid won't pay up for Modric?

I mean the man can't win!!

Stoof I have been watching your defense of Levy these past few days with approval and admiration. I even got involved on your side in the only way I can be useful, with economics. Didn't matter.

They need to hate him now. Just the way it is. They will see their error in some amount of time. That I am sure of. But they will never admit it retrospect.

So the one reason I am responding to this, other than the genuine praise, is that I do think there is a middle ground where we should be looking at other strikers.
Rondon went for €10
de Jong went for €12
Mandzukic went for €13
Das Bost went for €9
Joselu for €6
Ola John €9
Castagninos €6

All of those were linked, whether by rumor or good source. They are all good strikers and they all went for fees that we typically find appealing. I wouldn't go to the level of saying I know they would be a good fit for us or the league. In fact, we know we looked at one and said no. But at some point, we have to be realistic about these crazier rumors and start thinking along these level of available, young and potential-laden forwards (Joselu would have been worth 4.5m even if we got Llorente AND Falcao). And it does worry me a bit that we don't seem to be chasing these types as well as Falcao, Llorente, Adebayor and Leandro. I'm worried that our search for a striker is currently black and white and needs to be very very gray.

Edit: and Cisse. We should have listened to Carr in 08 when he told us to get him

Funnily enough would have been a waste of 10 million last year the way we played. Might well have been a good one to buy under this new system. But, these things happen

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