Winners ... we need winners

[Chris Flynn]

Huth, Morgan, Vardy, Drinkwater.

Oh and this winners thing, nonsense. It comes from journalists, it is based on their supposition and let's face it, if these people were psychologists, they would be sitting in the stands watching the match not having to write about it whilst getting paid peanuts.

Expand it out into any other sport or aspect of life and see if it holds true.

Mainly agree but expanding it out to other aspects of life, its pretty typical for a business to hire someone with a track record of success

 

[RichieS]

Any United or Arsenal fans I know are welcome to get on my case about our lack of a trophy this season. I'll just point out that I actually enjoy watching my team.

Also, our level absolutely did not drop in the FA Cup semi. If the same Chelsea had turned up yesterday they'd have beaten Arsenal. Where were their winners yesterday though? Hazard for example was anonymous by all accounts.

 

[topper]

Totti's available

Is that part of the Club Wembley package, if so I'm in!

 

[jimmy-jojo]

See, I don't see what this magical "winning mentality" thing is. I see a team with very good players, a very good manager who tactically played well. I wouldn't say Leicester have a winning mentality, nor Wigan.

If Janssen had scored a few goals in October and we won the league, do we all suddenly have a winning mentality because he scored a few?

Poch goes on a lot about having the 'right' mentality...what do you think he is referring to?

 

[smallsnc]

I applaud you for trying to put a positive spin on everything but I don't agree that we have been the best team for two seasons if so we would have won the league twice.
The best team overall wins the league that's why they are champions we were good but as usual had too many draws or lost the big games when under pressure, plus our failure to win at any of the top six was again our undoing.
We should not kid ourselves that despite our progress so far which is undeniably great we are still coming up short on certain big games semi-final, hammers away twice, these are the fine margins that players will often look at when deciding whether to move to another club that stands more chance of winning.
As rose said in his radio interview that some players will think are spurs just a nearly club, and on recent history that suggests we are.

Up until the last two years, we were not even a "nearly" club recently. This is a progression and we do not have the money or pull to go out and buy players that would make us better and already have trophies on the shelf. Over the last two years combined, we have the most points in the PL. Unfortunately, they give the trophies out a season at a time. I felt at the end of last season we showed that we weren't quite there; especially with the Dele and Dembele suspensions. This season, Dembele was out for the first few matches due to that, Toby and Kane were out during a critical CL/PL stretch and we could not overcome that. This team corrected its end of season form from last year and I expect them to handle Wembley and CL much better this coming season.

I would like a veteran striker to join the team that has a history of scoring big goals late even if he cannot play 90 minutes week in and week out anymore. For me, that would be the best addition we could make.

 

[mendesstormer]

See, I don't see what this magical "winning mentality" thing is. I see a team with very good players, a very good manager who tactically played well. I wouldn't say Leicester have a winning mentality, nor Wigan.

If Janssen had scored a few goals in October and we won the league, do we all suddenly have a winning mentality because he scored a few?

Well, we can agree to disagree, I suppose. Mourinho knew how to win that competition, and he managed to convey that to his players. And they did it at a canter. Spurs with arguably superior teams (in recent years) have never got anywhere near winning it. I think it's worth considering why that is.

 

[shelfboy68]

Up until the last two years, we were not even a "nearly" club recently. This is a progression and we do not have the money or pull to go out and buy players that would make us better and already have trophies on the shelf. Over the last two years combined, we have the most points in the PL. Unfortunately, they give the trophies out a season at a time. I felt at the end of last season we showed that we weren't quite there; especially with the Dele and Dembele suspensions. This season, Dembele was out for the first few matches due to that, Toby and Kane were out during a critical CL/PL stretch and we could not overcome that. This team corrected its end of season form from last year and I expect them to handle Wembley and CL much better this coming season.

I would like a veteran striker to join the team that has a history of scoring big goals late even if he cannot play 90 minutes week in and week out anymore. For me, that would be the best addition we could make.

A veteran striker would want bigger wages I would suspect so for me I can't see a shift away from the buy young policy.

 

[tiger666]

Poch goes on a lot about having the 'right' mentality...what do you think he is referring to?

Good professional players who work hard, which we have in all our players. I don't believe he means "players who have won trophies"

 

[mattyspurs]

They don't need to be mercenaries though, do they? Edgar Davids wasn't a mercenary. Nor was VDV. Gallas, maybe, but he still made a positive contribution.

I agree, however it was a different time for us back then.

We have a group of players who constantly rave about the team togetherness, that goes such a long way. To find the type of players that could make that difference in terms of 'winning mentality' is very hard. It usually brings with it an ego, and egos are not something we need with this group of players.

 

[Shadydan]

Well, we can agree to disagree, I suppose. Mourinho knew how to win that competition, and he managed to convey that to his players. And they did it at a canter. Spurs with arguably superior teams (in recent years) have never got anywhere near winning it. I think it's worth considering why that is.

Because we prioritise our competetions...we have always put the leaguy first...it's very difficult to play succeed in both comps simultaneously.

 

[Kiedis]

If we manage to stay as good as we have been the last couple of seasons, chances are that we'll get our hands on a trophy. The main thing is to have good players that are able to be consistently good.

 

[worcestersauce]

So why didn't we win the Europa League or the FA cup, which were both won by inferior teams?

Because we were trying to win the Premier league, you did notice that didn't you or were you arguing that we should rest players in the league to try and win the Europa league?

 

[smallsnc]

Well, we can agree to disagree, I suppose. Mourinho knew how to win that competition, and he managed to convey that to his players. And they did it at a canter. Spurs with arguably superior teams (in recent years) have never got anywhere near winning it. I think it's worth considering why that is.

He also gave up on the PL and played weakened teams there. How do you think losing PL matches while sitting Dele, Kane, etc. would have been viewed?

 

[DJS]

I'd say likes of Kane and Dele have that winning mentality plus Dier, Toby and Wanyama to name a couple more.

 

[Ironskullll]

If by "winners", we simply mean the obvious, ie players who have won something, then I disagree that that's what we need. If by "winners", we mean players who have that almost indefinable grit and steel that propels them on to victory despite the odds being against them, then I agree, The rub is that just because a player has been in a winning team doesn't mean he has that; and just because a player hasn't won something doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Having displayed it one season doesn't mean it'll still be there the next.

Teamwise, it doesn't go without saying that the only way to acquire that quality is to bring in players from the outside who already have it.

By definition, Arsenal are a team of winners because they won the Cup yesterday. I don't think all of their team have that almost indefinable quality. If Chelsea have that quality throughout their team, how come they lost yesterday?

Is Harry Kane not a winner, since he hasn't won anything? Ibra obviously is. If what we need is winners, does that mean that we'd have been better off with Ibra in our team than Harry? Does Harry not have that "winner" quality.

The talk of lacking a winning attitude or of needing "winners" in the team isn't bullshit, but it is lazy and simplistic.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

i blame Poch's broken English. When he got here, he told Levy we need to sign a Winner - but Levy thought he said Wimmer. The rest is history.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

BTW - haven't the Ajax crew won trophies before?

 

[jimmy-jojo]

If by "winners", we simply mean the obvious, ie players who have won something, then I disagree that that's what we need. If by "winners", we mean players who have that almost indefinable grit and steel that propels them on to victory despite the odds being against them, then I agree, The rub is that just because a player has been in a winning team doesn't mean he has that; and just because a player hasn't won something doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Having displayed it one season doesn't mean it'll still be there the next.

Teamwise, it doesn't go without saying that the only way to acquire that quality is to bring in players from the outside who already have it.

By definition, Arsenal are a team of winners because they won the Cup yesterday. I don't think all of their team have that almost indefinable quality. If Chelsea have that quality throughout their team, how come they lost yesterday?

Is Harry Kane not a winner, since he hasn't won anything? Ibra obviously is. If what we need is winners, does that mean that we'd have been better off with Ibra in our team than Harry? Does Harry not have that "winner" quality.

The talk of lacking a winning attitude or of needing "winners" in the team isn't bullshit, but it is lazy and simplistic.

I think the main question is do we have enough 'winners'? The likes of Kane and Dele, clearly have that extra bit about them.

So the question is not whether we would have been better with Ibra instead of Kane but would we would have been better with Ibra AND Kane.

 

[duvfromabuv]

Totti's available

totti's always available they're just bloody expensive

 

[Shadydan]

i blame Poch's broken English. When he got here, he told Levy we need to sign a Winner - but Levy thought he said Wimmer. The rest is history.

And in typical Levy fashion he took a year to sign him.