Where do we go now?

[Hotspur33]

Its very simple we need to move a lot of players on and start a fresh.

We have players that are mentally damaged Levy has to invest on better players otherwise with slip further back.

Unfortunately the large financial gap that has been created in the premier League means that Moussa Sissoko's wages are likely to be way to much for any team that might want him. (Let's be honest, we're not selling him to any team in the top half of the premier League)
So even if we are willing to give these players away, who's buying them?

 

[rossdapep]

I fear you’re right...enough is enough, but who’s to take over....it’s definitely a gamble...

The only way is if Levy steps aside and gives someone like Rangnick the keys and allows him to build the philosophy, in terms of the players we sign, the way we play and the direction we go in.

However, that is never happening.

 

[scat1620]

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[Lifelong]

The only way is if Levy steps aside and gives someone like Rangnick the keys and allows him to build the philosophy, in terms of the players we sign, the way we play and the direction we go in.

However, that is never happening.

Therein lies the problem Ross...the whole thing needs a reset...that also means a good few years before it’s all sorted...I don’t think I have that many years left....??

 

[EastLondonYid]

This is a serious post.....

If levy doesn't get the next appointment right,and then doesn't back him within reason, this squad could easily slide us down to a position we never dreamt of.

 

[rossdapep]

Therein lies the problem Ross...the whole thing needs a reset...that also means a good few years before it’s all sorted...I don’t think I have that many years left....??

Unfortunately, you're right.

The thing is, it can be fixable with a good vision and the right person at the helm.

I've just lost faith that we'll get that anytime soon.

I think we're all questioning whether we'll get to see any success before we leave this life. ?

 

[felmani26]

The rot starts from the head down and whilst I can't see any chance of ENIC selling up and/or a willing buyer, Levy needs to take a step back away from this club and there needs to be a fresh impetus in how we are to progress as a club.

I fear it'll be a new manager/coach in and we find ourselves in the same position 18 months down the line - no real identity, fundamentally the same players with the same flaws and hey presto, back to where we are now.

Rinse and repeat....

 

[Marty]

 

[buckley]

My son said at the time Abramovich took over at Chelsea " this is the start of a slow death for football" once you have an owner who does not have to adhere to the financial restraints that every other club have to keep to it is the beginning of the end .
Then you had the City owners plus Juve and PSG all clubs that have made it impossible for other clubs in their leagues to compete as they have books to balance .Football always has and always will be about money with regard to the top of the game .
The difference is that the clubs at the top earned their right to spend more than other clubs because of their success on the field of play or astute management of their finances also the gap was never large enough that you could not compete with them . All that means nothing now the financially doped lottery winning clubs cannot be overtaken .
They may have the occasional blip but generally the most money wins the cups and leagues without a need for due diligence because of the wealth of their owners. That is now the status quo and all the rest are on a race they can never win.
This is also the reason that this attempt at a ESL came about because clubs realise you cannot compete with them without either oil money or an oligarch normal football success does not bring in enough money to compete with the uber rich .

 

[mr ashley]

The only way is if Levy steps aside and gives someone like Rangnick the keys and allows him to build the philosophy, in terms of the players we sign, the way we play and the direction we go in.

However, that is never happening.

The only hope is that after confirming to the world that we are part of the elite, we start acting like it and sign some top, top players to complement the talent in the squad.
Otherwise this push for the superleague will be even worse than it appears now.
pandemic or no pandemic we can’t be penny pinching anymore.
Sorry Daniel, but you told us we are a big club now

 

[rossdapep]

The only hope is that after confirming to the world that we are part of the elite, we start acting like it and sign some top, top players to complement the talent in the squad.
Otherwise this push for the superleague will be even worse than it appears now.
pandemic or no pandemic we can’t be penny pinching anymore.
Sorry Daniel, but you told us we are a big club now

Well I can't see that.

We'll continue as we are, penny pinch and expect a new coach to get maximum out of the existing lot.

 

[mr ashley]

Well I can't see that.

We'll continue as we are, penny pinch and expect a new coach to get maximum out of the existing lot.

And sadly I agree this will be the way forward in all likelihood.
For me, that’s the problem with our involvement in the ESL fiasco.
we’ve declared to the world that we’re a big club and can only act like one now.
Our dear leader has painted himself into one hell of a corner

 

[Humbolt]

Where do we go?

A downward spiral ending up in our inevitable return to mid table obscurity. We have crap owners, our players are not good enough, the one good player we have is about to leave (and I don't blame him), we have no manager, and no desire from Levy to fix anything. We fired our manager with no plan going forward other than to put the 'Make a wish Foundation' kid in charge. We need to sell about 10 players and have a total rebuild, but we won't. I've been feeling this for a long time, but I've never actually felt quite so negative about football and Spurs ever. I honestly feel like I'm falling out of love with the game all together. I was so pessimistic about the game today that were it not for my little boy wanting to watch the game I probably wouldn't have bothered. Imagine that, we get to a cup final and I'm not bothered. It's sad.

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. If it ever does...

 

[thebenjamin]

Feels like a watershed. ENIC are done. If they continue it's just to extract their sale price. From a sporting perspective they have zero credibility. There is no version of this story where Daniel Levy leads us to glory. We will win nothing under his leadership.

We have no manager, no money to spend, a star player who wants out, a squad in need of total overhaul...

In other words we're more or less where we were when ENIC took over. But with a far better infrastructure.

 

[Dave1882]

Root and Branch.

Think things needs to change on board, Levy needs to give up control of first team affairs, fully new coaching set up and a significant overhaul of the team. Think it’ll take years unfortunately and realistically Kane & Son won’t both see it through

 

[shelfboy68]

It starts from the top and when that winning mindset isn't there it filters through the club and now the whole club is ingrained with failure.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, sweet child of mine....

 

[punky]

We have no manager after Levy's comical decision to appoint Jose after sacking the best manager in past 30 years.

To be fair, Poch is where the rot started. The players were very apathetic (although pathetic fits too) long before he was sacked. He alluded to needing a full rebuild due to schisms in the dressing room.

The rot starts from the head down and whilst I can't see any chance of ENIC selling up and/or a willing buyer, Levy needs to take a step back away from this club and there needs to be a fresh impetus in how we are to progress as a club.

I fear it'll be a new manager/coach in and we find ourselves in the same position 18 months down the line - no real identity, fundamentally the same players with the same flaws and hey presto, back to where we are now.

Rinse and repeat....

I don't see why Levy is at fault. The dressing room is supposed to be sacrosanct for directors that they never cross. Even when Levy tried to socialise with players in the training ground, people mocked him for acting like David Brent. Is he supposed to be giving the players pep talks before the game?

You can always accuse Levy of not getting better players, but the fact is the players we have *are* good enough. We got into the top 4 and beyond on merit, and we can get there again. My take on it is that that footballers are no different to any other employees, they are humans. They all have different wants and needs and need to be stroked the right way. If they aren't happy, they aren't going to play well. Poch couldn't deal with the personalities. Jose seemed completely ill-equipped to deal with it too. I suspect it will be well above Mason too as it looks like removing Jose wasn't enough to united the dressing room. What we need is someone who values man-management above everything to do whatever's necessary to each individual player to them going again and then we can start to remove the most toxic employees and replace them. That's the rebuild that Poch said we'd need.

 

[Little Tommy Tucker]

It's down to the lake I fear.....

 

[SpursSince1980]

If it was feasible... We rebuild the entire footballing side of the club, with the same level of investment, resources, purpose, and focus that we put into the commercial side of the PLC (training facilities and stadium.)

A) I'd like ENIC and Levy to sell the club to a investment group/individual who wants to build a world-class team based on a strategy that aligns the traditions of our club with the future of football, by weaving that vision into the very fabric of THFC's DNA.
B) I'd like a new footballing structure that is similar to what we see at Dortmund and Ajax. We build from the foundation up. We engineer a consistent style/identity into every single aspect of the entire footballing side of the club. From scouting, recruiting, training, academy management, playing and coaching. Any decision that impacts the aforementioned, must align to that style/identity. Always.
C) A coach that can be pivotal in building out that aforementioned identity.
D) A Director of Football who again, implements the above and has experience and success in building something like this.
E) Offload as many of our squad as possible over the next two years. That may include the likes of Harry. Basically, rebuild around three or four key players that are emblematic of the this new identity/vision that will truly manifest our club motto.

I am thankful and grateful that Levy and ENIC has built an amazing commercial infrastructure that will allow for financial stability and growth both now and into the future. However, it's time to hand over the club to new custodians who have the ability to bifurcate execution excellence on both the commercial and footballing side of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club and PLC.

That's what I want to see. That's what can transform us from what we have been for the last 35 years, into what we all want our club to be.

But what I want, versus what will happen are worlds apart, I'm afraid.

As I can't see the biggest problem going away, any time soon: ENIC and Levy. None of the above is possible, unless they make way.