What the pundits & media are saying about us

[leffe186]

I think we should be careful about going down the "the media wouldn't care this much if it had happened to us" narrative. It may or may not be true (personally, I think the reaction would be pretty much the same) but regardless, I don't think it helps to cultivate a Victim FC mindset.

I mean, it might, it can bring a team together. However, it’s clearly not something that Ange puts any stall in and that’s refreshing and impressive. And it seems to be transferring to the team too.

We seem to be just revelling in the victory at the time, then moving on - the team I mean, not the fans . That’s a great way to approach things.

Frankly, I’m happy that we’ve managed to beat a top side and yet still seemingly flown under the press’ radar a bit due to the controversy. Perfect scenario. The only concern I have in the back of my mind is whether refs subconsciously try to “even things up” in the return game, but since that’s a long long way away it’s trifling.

 

[razor1981]

I think we need to try to filter out all the noise around the incident, and the subsequent reactions to it from fans, media, pundits etc. and focus on the actual facts of the error and why its actually a big issue.

The mistake that was made for the Diaz 'goal' occurred because the VAR guys incorrectly assumed that the on-field officials had awarded the goal. They took a quick look at the replay, saw no reason to disallow it, so told the ref "check over". The only reason we now know that this cock-up happened is because it was a clear factual error to not award the goal.

The legitimate question that the media should be asking now is, how many other times have the VAR officials told a referee to stick to his original decision, without actually knowing what that decision was? Penalties, red cards etc. How many times has VAR said "check over" only to subsequently realise that they misunderstood what the on-field decision had been?

 

[hugrr]

I mean, it might, it can bring a team together. However, it’s clearly not something that Ange puts any stall in and that’s refreshing and impressive. And it seems to be transferring to the team too.

We seem to be just revelling in the victory at the time, then moving on - the team I mean, not the fans . That’s a great way to approach things.

Frankly, I’m happy that we’ve managed to beat a top side and yet still seemingly flown under the press’ radar a bit due to the controversy. Perfect scenario. The only concern I have in the back of my mind is whether refs subconsciously try to “even things up” in the return game, but since that’s a long long way away it’s trifling.

I'd hope, given how Ange hasn't stoked the fire with his comments, that rather than punish us, they just give Liverpool a bit of leeway in their future games (ie normal service resumed).

Well, not really, I actually hope the refs do a proper job, & not give anyone anything they don't deserve, but we all know that's not how things happen.

 

[spurmin]

Yeah because in general people could understand human error when you are talking fine margins and the speed of the game. When you have the chance to watch it 20 times slowed down from multiple angles, human error like that is a disgrace. Seriously if I'm in charge of VAR the guy is 100% losing his job for incompetence.

Saying if VAR wasn't there it would have been off anyway, is a complete non argument because the reason it is there is to stop this very thing from happening. It's not a subjective call. It's either factually off side or it isn't.

It’s never factual. The moment the ball is played can’t be correctly calibrated to where the offside occurs. It might be fractional but that is what they are doing drawing the lines. It’s definitely not as cut and dried as offside or not.

 

[worcestersauce]

I think we should be careful about going down the "the media wouldn't care this much if it had happened to us" narrative. It may or may not be true (personally, I think the reaction would be pretty much the same) but regardless, I don't think it helps to cultivate a Victim FC mindset.

On a purely objective level I don't think anyone believes they wouldn't make a fuss if it hadn't happened to us but I think we all know the narrative would have been different. We'd have been plucky and hanging on with nine men but just couldn't hold out rather than magnificent and unlucky losing through no fault of our own.
I don't feel like a victim at all, we won they lost we're simply better than them.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Let's be honest though mate literally his only job, and when I say HIS only job there's actually 2 of them in there, is to concentrate for 2 hours and keep up with the game.

Is that how it works, though? Is it two people per game, or two people for the whole schedule? I know ours was the only game on at that time, but maybe they aren't meant to watch the game itself, only the section that they are asked to review. That would make sense in terms of them not judging an incident on past incidents. For cards in particular, you don't want them doing their own 'accumulation' calculation. I don't know how it works but maybe they didn't see the live footage of the offside being given, and were incorrectly asked to answer the wrong question?

In rugby, of coures, the onfield ref is able to instruct the video ref on very clear and specific questions.

 

[Col_M]

On a purely objective level I don't think anyone believes they wouldn't make a fuss if it hadn't happened to us but I think we all know the narrative would have been different. We'd have been plucky and hanging on with nine men but just couldn't hold out rather than magnificent and unlucky losing through no fault of our own.
I don't feel like a victim at all, we won they lost we're simply better than them.

agree with all of that apart from “simply better than them”. We were better disciplined.

 

[worcestersauce]

agree with all of that apart from “simply better than them”. We were better disciplined.

We were certainly that.

 

[Ledders Army]

I mean, it might, it can bring a team together. However, it’s clearly not something that Ange puts any stall in and that’s refreshing and impressive. And it seems to be transferring to the team too.

We seem to be just revelling in the victory at the time, then moving on - the team I mean, not the fans . That’s a great way to approach things.

Frankly, I’m happy that we’ve managed to beat a top side and yet still seemingly flown under the press’ radar a bit due to the controversy. Perfect scenario. The only concern I have in the back of my mind is whether refs subconsciously try to “even things up” in the return game, but since that’s a long long way away it’s trifling.

The need to even things up is the thing I'm worried about to & not just the next time we play Liverpool but in our next few games coming up. Luckily we never get given pens anyway so we'll just have to be extra careful defending our own goal

 

[Trix]

Oh yes it's still appalling whatever way you look at it.

But there's no recourse for Liverpool in terms of replays....would you not agree...

Yeah of course. The result is the result and it's as simple as that.

 

[Thenewcat]

This could not be more accurate

Sympathy for Liverpool is huge but not limitless - their 'sporting integrity' statement is absurd

Do Liverpool *really* want to set football down a path where officiating errors 'undermine sporting integrity' and require a 'range of options' be explored?

www.football365.com

 

[aliyid]

Not sure if they count as pundits but football ramble is worth a listen as one of the few podcasts who aren't afraid of stoking the Liverpool fires

 

[Misfit]

I mean, ignoring their appalling discipline and the media/fan whining over an incident they normally shrug off after a quick grumble most other weeks, I was actually impressed with Pool. Even at 9 men they had a potential sting in their tale and were very organised. Takes some mentality to do that well.

If they manage to keep all their players on the pitch during games (no sure thing it seems) I think they go all the way with City. No problems with the media in that regard. An impressive unit built for a title challenge.

 

[spursfan77]

Apparently MNF are going to look at it all from a different angle tonight. Got a feeling they might go against the grain and side with the officials. That would be funny but with fat Frank and carragher on it I suspect that is remote.

 

[Misfit]

This could not be more accurate

Sympathy for Liverpool is huge but not limitless - their 'sporting integrity' statement is absurd

Do Liverpool *really* want to set football down a path where officiating errors 'undermine sporting integrity' and require a 'range of options' be explored?

www.football365.com

"At the absolute heart of this is the fact that what VAR has turned into The Worst Decision Ever would in a pre-VAR or non-VAR world have been a relatively humdrum linesman error. It was a bad offside decision, but not orders of magnitude greater than many, many others. It is the sort of error that would certainly rankle for a while, but also that would be and is seen multiple times in any division in any season. It would be neither here nor there."

Just sayin'...

 

[spursram]

Yeah because in general people could understand human error when you are talking fine margins and the speed of the game. When you have the chance to watch it 20 times slowed down from multiple angles, human error like that is a disgrace. Seriously if I'm in charge of VAR the guy is 100% losing his job for incompetence.

Saying if VAR wasn't there it would have been off anyway, is a complete non argument because the reason it is there is to stop this very thing from happening. It's not a subjective call. It's either factually off side or it isn't.

From what I understand the "incompetence" stems from the fact the VAR official wasn't aware of the on pitch decision, which was "offside". VAR official thought the goal was given on the pitch and by stating "check over" he thought he was confirming the goal was not offside. Now, should the VAR official, when Spurs took a free kick and not a kick off, had remonstrated more with the ref? Current rules are that once the ref restarts the game the process is over. So communication is something that needs sorting.

 

[tommo84]

Watching MNF and Lampard and Carragher both agreed with the Curtis Jones red card. I wonder if any LFC fans will take any notice of that…

Of course they won’t but it’s good to see a bit of push back on the narrative that every major decision was wrong.

 

[muppetman]

This isn't helping my desire for the actual football to be the focus of pundits, rather than refs, decisions and VAR.

 

[animalmom]

This could not be more accurate

Sympathy for Liverpool is huge but not limitless - their 'sporting integrity' statement is absurd

Do Liverpool *really* want to set football down a path where officiating errors 'undermine sporting integrity' and require a 'range of options' be explored?

www.football365.com

Shakespeare

 

[14/04/91]

From what I understand the "incompetence" stems from the fact the VAR official wasn't aware of the on pitch decision, which was "offside". VAR official thought the goal was given on the pitch and by stating "check over" he thought he was confirming the goal was not offside. Now, should the VAR official, when Spurs took a free kick and not a kick off, had remonstrated more with the ref? Current rules are that once the ref restarts the game the process is over. So communication is something that needs sorting.

Or maybe just pay attention to the game in the first place!
It is a fuck up of the highest order.

Imagine explaining to his boss ‘I thought it was a goal’?!
Did the big yellow flag not give you a clue? Or the blokes in red not celebrating?