What the pundits & media are saying about us

[floydiohead]

We need to take the off side goal out of the equation, because I don't think anyone anywhere is arguing the outcome wasn't anything other than a catastrophic error. I think the incompetency of this decision is amplifying the red cards as well as some kind of injustice, when they weren't.

Liverpool need to take a good hard look at how they are playing right now because this is 4 reds in 6 games and if they continue to play how they've played the last few years it will be more. There was strong directive to all of the premier league that refs were clamping down on many infringements that had been let go in the past, and everyone else seems to have understood and adapted to them except them.

I remember seeing us play them either the year they won the league or the year after. What drove me absolutely mad was every single - and I do mean literally every single - time we got a break, they'd commit a snidey foul to break the play up, and they got away with it for the entire game. Horrible bastards.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I think both are clear reds, but to be fair, Jones was trying to play the ball and did make contact with the ball so that sort of action is always going to get defenders of how the game used to be and arguments that this is a contact sport etc. It was still a red because he went over the top and could easily have broken Bissouma's leg. Nketiah, on the other hand, just flew into Vicario long after the ball had been played in an act of petulant frustration.

Jones' was football act and unfortunate but still definitely a red card offense.


Nketiah's was the most reckless violent act I've seen in the Premier League for quite some time. I have no doubt that the Powers That be knew that and the fact it wasn't acted on by VAR contributed to VAR ensuring Jones' did.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Had a very brief watch of Gary Neville Podcast on skysport YouTube and looking at those comments, I felt so disgusted at those different fans coming together feeling sorry for Liverpool. Even Villa Fans ffs. Many United fans were with Liverpool and thought they should have gotten more from the game. One comment even went on to say something like when Gary says something siding with Liverpool he must be right! So we are the common enemy now.

Then MOTD Shearer said this VAR mistake will be so monumental in future refereeing blah blah blah. Wow. Really? Is just a fucking offside mistakenly called.. Do they need Vic to sustain a broken shin from Nketiah to justify that VAR oversight to be as monumental as well?

The way these pundits talked should be taken into account and be responsible. They can't just blabber anything they like without fact-checking and cross-referencing past examples to put out such future decision-influencing calls. Even if we are not scrutinised by VAR, bigger teams will get more massive calls in their favour next time.

So sick of them

 

[spursfan77]

I do think those on here trying to down play the offside goal by saying it wouldn't be highlighted so much if it wasn't a high profile game are getting it all wrong and completely missing the point.

It's the one thing var should 100% get right. It isn't subjective and should be infallible unless the technology is at fault. It's a massive massive deal to have got this so wrong regardless of the fixture. To get a human error on something like this is inexcusable and makes a mockery of the entire system.

The thing is, pre VAR it would just be the linesman getting an offside wrong and putting his flag up when he shouldn’t have. This happened in matches every weekend. There was never this much furore over a decision like that yesterday. It’s all been blown massively out of proportion. Funny though seeing them continually getting wound up over it. The media are loving winding the scousers up too.

 

[spursfan77]

I remember seeing us play them either the year they won the league or the year after. What drove me absolutely mad was every single - and I do mean literally every single - time we got a break, they'd commit a snidey foul to break the play up, and they got away with it for the entire game. Horrible bastards.

I actually thought yesterday the ref let them get away with it quite a lot until he finally booked one of their players. It should have happened 3 or 4 fouls earlier and that just illustrates how regularly they do it during a game.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah there's no doubt Neville is sensitive to our start, replacing where his beloved United should be.

Even the way he analysed Udogie in the NLD was fucking strange.

One bad pack pass and that was his mind made up.

Totally ignored how Udogie grew into the game and came out on top.

Yesterday his extreme sympathy for Liverpool was another fucking strange one.

His analysis of the Curtis Jones red card was bordering on embarrassing.

And he's influencing the vast majority of neutral fans watching that to boot.

Going right off him.

 

[mmidgers]

Yeah there's no doubt Neville is sensitive to our start, replacing where his beloved United should be.

Even the way he analysed Udogie in the NLD was fucking strange.

One bad pack pass and that was his mind made up.

Totally ignored how Udogie grew into the game and came out on top.

Yesterday his extreme sympathy for Liverpool was another fucking strange one.

His analysis of the Curtis Jones red card was bordering on embarrassing.

And he's influencing the vast majority of neutral fans watching that to boot.

Going right off him.

He's a proper twat. Always has been

 

[Chimbo!]

I do think those on here trying to down play the offside goal by saying it wouldn't be highlighted so much if it wasn't a high profile game are getting it all wrong and completely missing the point.

It's the one thing var should 100% get right. It isn't subjective and should be infallible unless the technology is at fault. It's a massive massive deal to have got this so wrong regardless of the fixture. To get a human error on something like this is inexcusable and makes a mockery of the entire system.

It’s an awful error but I don’t think it makes a mockery of VAR. VAR Gets offside right all the time. If we didn’t have VAR, that goal would still have been disallowed. Humans make errors and I think the reaction to this mistake is over the top. It doesn’t show that the system is failing. It’s just a really bad, embarrassing mistake, which has been magnified because people don’t like VAR and they haven’t until now had a blatant example of a VAR offside error to complain about. We’ve all made bad mistakes, just ask Matip and Jota.

 

[Cochise]

I was thinking about the amount of complaining Redknapp and Neville made around the Jones red card and a thought occurred to me. Are they just going through that point in their lives now where the rules they played by are now changing and they don't like it.

I can remember listening to commentators in the early 00's talking about how "that wasn't a foul when I played in the 80's" and how out of touch they sounded. Perhaps we've hit that point with Neville, where tackles that endanger players are being punished irrespective of intent and it conflicts with his reference point.

 

[Matrix]

I do think those on here trying to down play the offside goal by saying it wouldn't be highlighted so much if it wasn't a high profile game are getting it all wrong and completely missing the point.

It's the one thing var should 100% get right. It isn't subjective and should be infallible unless the technology is at fault. It's a massive massive deal to have got this so wrong regardless of the fixture. To get a human error on something like this is inexcusable and makes a mockery of the entire system.

It wouldn’t get as much airtime as it has now. Yes and offiside isn’t a subjective thing, it is or it isn’t. The fact it’s Liverpool/Klopp, it’s been whacked up to 11.
The error would still be highlighted but with the aggressiveness that we are seeing now, I’m not so sure.

 

[Trix]

The thing is, pre VAR it would just be the linesman getting an offside wrong and putting his flag up when he shouldn’t have. This happened in matches every weekend. There was never this much furore over a decision like that yesterday. It’s all been blown massively out of proportion. Funny though seeing them continually getting wound up over it. The media are loving winding the scousers up too.

Yeah because in general people could understand human error when you are talking fine margins and the speed of the game. When you have the chance to watch it 20 times slowed down from multiple angles, human error like that is a disgrace. Seriously if I'm in charge of VAR the guy is 100% losing his job for incompetence.

Saying if VAR wasn't there it would have been off anyway, is a complete non argument because the reason it is there is to stop this very thing from happening. It's not a subjective call. It's either factually off side or it isn't.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah because in general people could understand human error when you are talking fine margins and the speed of the game. When you have the chance to watch it 20 times slowed down from multiple angles, human error like that is a disgrace. Seriously if I'm in charge of VAR the guy is 100% losing his job for incompetence.

Saying if VAR wasn't there it would have been off anyway, is a complete non argument because the reason it is there is to stop this very thing from happening. It's not a subjective call. It's either factually off side or it isn't.

Agreed.

But I think it was confusion with the communication and the guy in the VAR room not keeping pace with what was happening in the game...

The goal was flagged, but I reckon he thinks it's been given and asked to check which is why the process was so quick because it was obvious he was onside.

He obviously wasn't paying attention that the goal was given offside and fires back check complete thinking the goal had originally been given.

Probably realising his mistake as the game has restarted....

 

[Trix]

Agreed.

But I think it was confusion with the communication and the guy in the VAR room not keeping pace with what was happening in the game...

The goal was flagged, but I reckon he thinks it's been given and asked to check which is why the process was so quick because it was obvious he was onside.

He obviously wasn't paying attention that the goal was given offside and fires back check complete thinking the goal had originally been given.

Probably realising his mistake as the game has restarted....

Let's be honest though mate literally his only job, and when I say HIS only job there's actually 2 of them in there, is to concentrate for 2 hours and keep up with the game.

 

[Mr Pink]

Let's be honest though mate literally his only job, and when I say HIS only job there's actually 2 of them in there, is to concentrate for 2 hours and keep up with the game.

Oh yes it's still appalling whatever way you look at it.

But there's no recourse for Liverpool in terms of replays....would you not agree...

 

[Gassin's finest]

I'm flipping through my YouTube subscriptions, and there's a 15 min video from SSN about the offside. It's like a national inquisition.

 

[Marauder]

I'm flipping through my YouTube subscriptions, and there's a 15 min video from SSN about the offside. It's like a national inquisition.

No doubt also fueled by the fact everyone expected us to have gone away for good now after the fiasco of last season, getting an underwhelming managerial appointment, and selling our best player. Instead, all competitor teams, fans and pundits have been quitely enraged (almost like, "how dare they") at us to be so suddenly and unexpectedly very much back in the fucking mix this season.

 

[Misfit]

No doubt also fueled by the fact everyone expected us to have gone away for good now after the fiasco of last season, getting an underwhelming managerial appointment, and selling our best player. Instead, all competitor teams, fans and pundits have been quitely enraged (almost like, "how dare they") at us to be so suddenly and unexpectedly very much back in the fucking mix this season.

I really do get that sense from some of them. One of them said that our improvement this year along with Brighton and Villa is "a surprise considering they're not part of the traditional top 6 clubs". I must have missed the last 18 years or something. Or maybe one good Newcastle season means they're already holding the door open for us to eff off and how dare we think of lingering around.

Many are still just amazed at the transformation etc but attitudes among some seem to have bizarrely become a little less enthusiastic after they've seen how we get through our "first real test of the season" with the last two games. I guess they were really looking forward to patting us on the head and chuckling to themselves as we did a 'Spursy' or something.

The reaction to one shit offside flub - something we see regularly - yesterday has been unhinged, and maybe the narrative in the heads of some being contradicted has fuelled it.

 

[littlewilly]

arguing over the Jones red is laughable.

Neville's 'didn't mean to do him' comment completely misses the point - he wasn't sent off for violent conduct.

he was sent off for serious foul play, part of which is being out of control. which presumably he was, otherwise he'd have stopped his foot scraping the top of the ball and smashing into Bissouma's shin.

and that snidey little prick Jota is constantly fouling an claiming innocence.

When Jones caught the top of the ball, his foot would have to be at least 9 inches (height of the ball) off the ground, studs forward.

 

[Twizzle]

the media get paid for being dickheads and some excel at it

so Diaz was onside and the goal should have counted, but how many fucking times have we been on the receiving end of these shit decisions ?

about time one went our way ffs

 

[JacoZA]

I think we should be careful about going down the "the media wouldn't care this much if it had happened to us" narrative. It may or may not be true (personally, I think the reaction would be pretty much the same) but regardless, I don't think it helps to cultivate a Victim FC mindset.