E17yid
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It's actually amazing the lengths that people go to to argue sometimes
Coming from you that’s rich.
What the pundits & media are saying about us
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Coming from you that’s rich.
archiewasking
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Agreed. Newcastle always have a full stadium of rabid Geordies. Don't see them anywhere near the top.
CoopsieDeadpool
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Come on, guys. Let's try continuing this discussion without it turning into a fight for a change.
scat1620
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CoopsieDeadpool
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Because they spend most of the entire 90 minutes booing and abusing Mike Ashley. Their stadium may well be full, but it's not positive.
That's what's being discussed. It's nothing to do with numbers,, it's everything to do with negativity.
dontcallme
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parj
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Winning mentality comes from the fans? What a div!
I been to spurs games when the fans were singing and the atmosphere is amazing. I also been to some piss poor atmosphere games and there was just no energy on the pitch or in the stadium. Sometimes even players need a little lift
Shadydan
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Last post on the subject, I'll just leave this here:
https://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/poch-wants-new-stadium-boost/156593
If Pochettino can see it...
https://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/poch-wants-new-stadium-boost/156593
If Pochettino can see it...
scat1620
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Not sure I buy that. Yep, St James' Park is an unhappy graveyard these days, but back in the late 90s they had a stadium that rocked harder than anywhere else in the land and a great team who played in it, and they still won nothing because they were up against Man Utd and Arsenal teams who were just a level above them (and neither of whom you could argue outdid them in having positive, energetic and loud crowds at their games).
I'm with @E17yid - our fans are absolutely, 100% not the straw that's breaking the camel's back in terms of us not being able to win anything for love nor money. We're just not good enough on the pitch, and that's not the fault of those in the stands.
easley91
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Nobody has said it is the decisive factor. But it is one. Thanks to social media if the players were to see the untold negativity daily you don't think that would affect them in any way? They are human after all.
Even after beating Dortmund all I saw was references to defeats over a decade ago.
Any time we get close like we were today, there are those that have the mentality of oh don't get my hopes up etc. They have a perennial loser about them. All that is being said is that needs to change amongst the fans. Not necessarily in the stadium, either. I avoid social media (and this place) until the next day after any defeats, because it is full of people who label us legends, or losers, never going to win anything etc.
Poch has called on us to believe in THIS squad and THESE players. Forget about things that happened in the past pre Poch, pre all these players, because they largely were not even here. Only Rose and Vertonghen were here as late as AVB. Rose obviously Redknapp. This team have a mentality whereby they will be patient if need be, because they believe it in themselves that they are good enough to create chances and take those chances whatever the minutes on the pitch. The fact we have only had three defeats without scoring says it all to me. As well as the number of late winners. The players believe in themselves, and so do I. In fact, even when Burnley went ahead first I still felt calm (annoyed by the corner decision aside) because I knew we'd equalise. We did. I felt we'd go on and win the game. Okay, we didn't, but you can't win them all can you? This ain't career mode on FIFA.
Even after beating Dortmund all I saw was references to defeats over a decade ago.
Any time we get close like we were today, there are those that have the mentality of oh don't get my hopes up etc. They have a perennial loser about them. All that is being said is that needs to change amongst the fans. Not necessarily in the stadium, either. I avoid social media (and this place) until the next day after any defeats, because it is full of people who label us legends, or losers, never going to win anything etc.
Poch has called on us to believe in THIS squad and THESE players. Forget about things that happened in the past pre Poch, pre all these players, because they largely were not even here. Only Rose and Vertonghen were here as late as AVB. Rose obviously Redknapp. This team have a mentality whereby they will be patient if need be, because they believe it in themselves that they are good enough to create chances and take those chances whatever the minutes on the pitch. The fact we have only had three defeats without scoring says it all to me. As well as the number of late winners. The players believe in themselves, and so do I. In fact, even when Burnley went ahead first I still felt calm (annoyed by the corner decision aside) because I knew we'd equalise. We did. I felt we'd go on and win the game. Okay, we didn't, but you can't win them all can you? This ain't career mode on FIFA.
Wembley is negative. The sheer number of tourists and the fact it’s too big and hard to create any sort of atmosphere. Having said that I think we’ve been incredible there for the big games, given the above issues.
You’ll never create an Anfield like atmosphere ( which is actually a bit of a fallacy, you can feel the negativity and nervousness at that ground in certain games, usually against lower sides and especially if they aren’t leading early ) at Wembley. Anfield under Hodgson wasn’t rmektely positive. Maybe they don’t have a winning mentality as fans afterall? Perhaps they up the ante when their team is winning and they look like they might do something? Also it might be easier to think ‘we’re Liverpool, we’ve won it all, we can do this’ when in fact they have. We don’t have that.
It’s negative at Newcastle until the side gives them something to cheer, then it’s rocking. It’s hard to blame them for being negative there given what’s gone on. Not my thing though, I hate booing at football, I only ever support the side during the 90 minutes, not that I genuinely believe it has an impact.
Regarding the players saying ‘the fans got behind us’ etc, I have always thought it was lip service to be honest. I think the top players don’t really mention it and that it doesn’t impact their game.
Obviously my opinion, not saying it’s right of course.
CoopsieDeadpool
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Nobody has said it's the fault of the people in the stands. What people have said, is that those in the stands do make a difference to what happens on the pitch.
I'll ask the question again. Have you ever watched a game in a 'behind closed doors' stadium? It's dead.
E17yid
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Yesterday Anfield was amazing, every game Liverpool play at Anfield is a party and that sometimes makes a difference."
Firstly, he’s lying, we all know he’s lying. Every game at Andield is not like a party. Where’s your famous atmosphere is sung there on a monthly basis even by travelling fans who are losing.
Secondly he uses the word sometimes.
We all agree having a stadium full of cheering fans is great. I often get annoyed at people slagging off Everton fans for making Goodison hostile by getting on the refs case and wish we would do that more (notice how that’s something different, in fact negativity in booing - putting pressure on the ref, is more important than cheering your team)
So I get it and you look for any edge you can get but the fans/atmosphere really is a secondary concern when it comes to winning football matches. It’s a great thing to have but we all know it’s not massively important. Or, not as important as having top players who are well coached by a tactically savvy manager.
CoopsieDeadpool
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Is it a coincidence that (on here) we often see comments about how our away support is better (louder) than our home support, and we constantly hear the players in interviews saying how brilliant the traveling supporters were, and we just happen to have the best away record out of anyone?
scat1620
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My whole thing with this discussion is that I just reject the hypothesis that our fans are different from anyone else's. I can't remember the last time that a Liverpool or a Man Utd played badly at home and had their fans roar them over the line and inspire the players: their supporters just don't do that any more than ours do or don't.
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easley91
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Honestly though I'd say majority of clubs away support is better than at home. Away is where your diehards will always go etc.
It’s fair to say every clubs away support is much better than its home support.
I think we have the best away record because of fixtures, that and we’ve got a class football team. I think after going away to Chelsea, City and Liverpool, we’ll drop down a place or two in the away league table.
Old Trafford never strikes me as being a cauldron and they’ve done ok over the years! They’ve also got the best away support in the country though so maybe that might be the reason!
This. Football fans, true football fans, are pretty much the same in this country.
The part time, Johnny come lately fair weather types are the most vocal though unfortunately ( online, in the media etc of course, not at games )
Looking at twitter for clubs fans reactions is frankly ridiculous to be honest. Full of idiots and bigger idiots.
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I’m so confused.....I’ve supported Spurs for close to 40 years. To be honest for most of those years we’ve been rubbish but it hasn’t nor does it stop me from wanting us to win every game we play. I go into every game ‘expecting’ to win and it kills me when we don’t. I genuinely believe that us fans get such a hard time. We’re constantly told we expect too much and we should be happy with where we are. ‘Never had it so good!’ ‘Top 4 is the target’, ‘We don’t have the resources to compete’, Blah, blah. Then when we start looking like we’re going to challenge for titles we’re then told we’re too negative for not believing that we can win things! For the record our away fans are probably the best in the country so when we lose at a place like Burnley with so much on the line it’s our fault because we never really believe that we can win the title but expecting us to beat Burnley makes us arrogant! Which is it FFS! I’m a regular lurker and feel it quite therapeutic to come on here after a defeat as I know there are so many who share my pain. I will never criticise our fans and call them ‘melters’ or whatever. We will never all agree but what gives any of us the right to doubt their love for this club. One thing I am certain of though, it’s not our fault when we don’t win trophies!
