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CoopsieDeadpool

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The spursy and bottler shit originates from the media. I don't know any spurs fans who actually use those terms and it's boring how the narrative is its now the fans fault in some way. It gets rolled out along with the new line about how we should be patient despite the fact we haven't won a major trophy in nearly 30 years.


Mate, it's literally mentioned on here every time we have a negative result or performance.
 

E17yid

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I've been saying that for years, no more so when people hark on about this Spursy crap and keep calling us legends every time we lose a match, for example the other day someone referenced the fact that we've suffered some adverse 'Spursy' results over the years and somehow linking that to the Dortmund return leg saying oh we can't get carried away because of Lasagnegate.

I mean what the fek is that all about lol

This is exactly the kind of mentality shift that Poch constantly alludes to, I'll probably get negged for this but whatever - Liverpool fans as annoying as they are get behind their team and expect to win, which is why Anfield is a fortress and there's been times in big games for example where the fans have been nervous and IMO that negativity feeds into the players.

Sorry Owen is 100% correct on this one, if he can see it as an outsider then do should you.

Liverpool should be winning titles every year if it was down to the fans. Why aren’t they? Could it be the fans arent a decisive factor and that coaches and players are?

Would explain why Cities shit fans haven’t prevented them from winning stuff over the last few years.
 

easley91

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Anfield is a fortress because they have the likes of salah and vvd. It has nothing to do with the fans. The palace fans make plenty of noise but it's hardly a fortress.

The spursy and bottler shit originates from the media. I don't know any spurs fans who actually use those terms and it's boring how the narrative is its now the fans fault in some way. It gets rolled out along with the new line about how we should be patient despite the fact we haven't won a major trophy in nearly 30 years.
You obviously don't come on here very much. One defeat or even bad performance with a win, there's a ton of negativity. Just look on social media as well. So, so much of it. If even a minority of those actually went to games then I could see the nervousness get itself on to the pitch as the game wears on.

Poch has even said it himself about our fans needing to have belief in this squad and not be negative any chance we get, which a lot of our fans are. They'll claim it's the heat of the moment etc but they need to change that and start feeling positive. We have been the best of the rest below the top two all season with a ton of off the pitch things going on, no signings, and countless injuries. We have a lot more to positive than negative about these days.
 

easley91

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Liverpool should be winning titles every year if it was down to the fans. Why aren’t they? Could it be the fans arent a decisive factor and that coaches and players are?

Would explain why Cities shit fans haven’t prevented them from winning stuff over the last few years.
It's quite obviously a mixture of both. Those two have had serious investment in the playing squad along with playing actual home games. City fans are used to trophies now and dominance, they don't hark back to the old division two days do they?

Liverpool constantly go on about five times this and that, their fans rarely bring up the Christmases they were top and blew it.

It's both on and off the pitch that comes together.

I'd prefer our fans to have more positivity and belief in the current playing squad and manager. Moments after 3-0 v Dortmund I saw the United 5-3 and City 4-3 mentioned. Our fans are on a negative scale of their own. It's high time we actually start being positive. Whether at Wembley or NWHL get BEHIND the team.

Yesterday's defeat does not a bad league season make.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Are these the same 'shit' fans who were going to the tune of 30 or 40,000 when they were in League One or whatever it's called now? :D


Exactly what I was thinking & going to say. I thought it was reasonably widely accepted that the blue side of Manchester has some of the best supporters in the game.

They revel in their modern day (bought) success because, largely, most of them stood behind their club throughout some rather dark & unsuccessful times.

I've never personally come across a single bad Man City supporter.
 

E17yid

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It's quite obviously a mixture of both. Those two have had serious investment in the playing squad along with playing actual home games. City fans are used to trophies now and dominance, they don't hark back to the old division two days do they?

Liverpool constantly go on about five times this and that, their fans rarely bring up the Christmases they were top and blew it.

It's both on and off the pitch that comes together.

I'd prefer our fans to have more positivity and belief in the current playing squad and manager. Moments after 3-0 v Dortmund I saw the United 5-3 and City 4-3 mentioned. Our fans are on a negative scale of their own. It's high time we actually start being positive. Whether at Wembley or NWHL get BEHIND the team.

Yesterday's defeat does not a bad league season make.

It’s obviously important but which one is more important. Coaches/players or fans? What’s more likely to bring success. To say it starts with the fans is bollocks.

We could have 60k mutes in the stadium every week but if we had Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc I reckon we’d do alright. On the other ha d we could have 60k deluded, hyped up fans but if your watching a bunch of shit players it’s unlikely to inspire them to victory
 

easley91

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It’s obviously important but which one is more important. Coaches/players or fans? What’s more likely to bring success. To say it starts with the fans is bollocks.

We could have 60k mutes in the stadium every week but if we had Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc I reckon we’d do alright. On the other ha d we could have 60k deluded, hyped up fans but if your watching a bunch of shit players it’s unlikely to inspire them to victory
You completely missed the point. The fans isn't the sole reason we haven't won anything, but is A reason. You can't sit there and tell me you're not sick and tired of all the negativity that gets brought up by our own fans.

Coaching and players is important yes, but when they are not at it during a game the fans can be the X factor to get you home.

Wolves game springs to mind. Their fans were at it from minute one, all I heard around me were negative comments. Yes we were poor, but the fans still play a massive part.
 

Shadydan

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Anfield is a fortress because they have the likes of salah and vvd. It has nothing to do with the fans. The palace fans make plenty of noise but it's hardly a fortress.

The spursy and bottler shit originates from the media. I don't know any spurs fans who actually use those terms and it's boring how the narrative is its now the fans fault in some way. It gets rolled out along with the new line about how we should be patient despite the fact we haven't won a major trophy in nearly 30 years.

Anfield has been a fortress for years, way before VVD and Salah.
 

E17yid

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You completely missed the point. The fans isn't the sole reason we haven't won anything, but is A reason. You can't sit there and tell me you're not sick and tired of all the negativity that gets brought up by our own fans.

Coaching and players is important yes, but when they are not at it during a game the fans can be the X factor to get you home.

Wolves game springs to mind. Their fans were at it from minute one, all I heard around me were negative comments. Yes we were poor, but the fans still play a massive part.

It’s a factor but a minor one imo. Obviously some attach a lot more importance to it but for me players and coaches are far far more important to determine the success of a club
 

E17yid

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Why are we only counting Premier League titles?

Include whatever you want mate. I’ll still maintain that it wasn’t their fans that won it for them or even that they were a significant factor to them winning anything.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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It’s obviously important but which one is more important. Coaches/players or fans? What’s more likely to bring success. To say it starts with the fans is bollocks.

We could have 60k mutes in the stadium every week but if we had Messi, Mbappe, Neymar etc I reckon we’d do alright. On the other ha d we could have 60k deluded, hyped up fans but if your watching a bunch of shit players it’s unlikely to inspire them to victory

It’s a factor but a minor one imo. Obviously some attach a lot more importance to it but for me players and coaches are far far more important to determine the success of a club


Come on, mate. Have you watched any games that were forced to take place behind closed doors, in an empty stadium?

It's awful. The players literally just go through the motions, EVERYTHING just seems flat & uninspiring.

A positive, passion filled stadium really does make a difference to what happens on the pitch. And not just to the players being supported, but also to the opposition players.
 

E17yid

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Come on, mate. Have you watched act games that were forced to take place behind closed doors, in an empty stadium?

It's awful. The players literally just go through the motions, EVERYTHING just seems flat & uninspiring.

A positive, passion filled stadium really does make a difference to what happens on the pitch. And not just to the players being supported, but also to the opposition players.

It helps but as I’ve said it’s not something that’s a decisive factor. What is decisive, and you can control, is how many exceptional players you have and how they are coached and what tactics are employed in game.
 
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