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cider spurs

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Sky Sports News running a poll this morning....

Which Premier League signing in the last summer window has made the biggest impact.


No feckin Spurs signings mentioned anywhere.

Starting to think that there might be something in this idea that the media has a dislike for us. :sneaky:
 

spids

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You must really hate Sissoko, he hasn’t made either team


D’oh - total oversight on my part! He’d be in the first team on current form with Dembélé or Dier dropping to other team. It’s because I was mainly focussed on injured players when I was posting!
 

easley91

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Come on. He's had one or two good games only selected because of injuries. Done nothing up till now and still not worth the money outlayed for him. Wouldn't be in my team at all either!!
One or two? Have you even watched him? Yes, he has been selected due to injuries, however he has been one of the most consistent performers currently.
 

Lo Amo Speroni

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Come on. He's had one or two good games only selected because of injuries. Done nothing up till now and still not worth the money outlayed for him. Wouldn't be in my team at all either!!
Newcastle fans scoffed when we bought him saying he was not worth the money.
They would bite your arm to have him back now.
 

spids

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Liverpool has a shit squad! They can’t Even name a decent eleven? Millner, wijnaldum and Hendo is not Hugh quality and we would be laughed at if they were our midfield.

They have NON-proven Keita and Fabinho AS back-ups.

Their back-up CBs are considered crap Even by their own supporters. They don’t have any cover for fullbacks.

They don’t Even have cover for striker...

In Milner, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Keita & Henderson Liverpool have fantastic depth in CM. Fabinho has been outstanding since he forced his way into their team in late autumn and he is a player I would swap any of our CMs for. Wijnaldum has also been very good this season. Henderson is only a back up now but perfect for the way Klopp wants his CMs to play when they press aggressively for 90 mins.

Their cover for attack is Sturridge and Shaqiri. They can also play with only 2 strikers (2 from Salah, Mane and Firmino).

At RB they have similar depth to us, with Clyne leaving as he was 4th choice (and was in the England team a couple of years ago).

However, I get you sentiment. Liverpool could not cope with injuries to Salah, VVD and Allisson as well as we would cope with injuries to Kane, Alderweireld and Lloris (we've had to do this quite a lot in the last 2 years)
 

SpartanSpur

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In Milner, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Keita & Henderson Liverpool have fantastic depth in CM. Fabinho has been outstanding since he forced his way into their team in late autumn and he is a player I would swap any of our CMs for. Wijnaldum has also been very good this season. Henderson is only a back up now but perfect for the way Klopp wants his CMs to play when they press aggressively for 90 mins.

Their cover for attack is Sturridge and Shaqiri. They can also play with only 2 strikers (2 from Salah, Mane and Firmino).

At RB they have similar depth to us, with Clyne leaving as he was 4th choice (and was in the England team a couple of years ago).

However, I get you sentiment. Liverpool could not cope with injuries to Salah, VVD and Allisson as well as we would cope with injuries to Kane, Alderweireld and Lloris (we've had to do this quite a lot in the last 2 years)

CM is definitely their area of depth. Curious as who you have as their backup RB however. If Gomez then that means moving their first choice CB (like us moving Toby to RB). If Fabinho then that's who is soon to be their regular first choice DM. Milner or a youth I guess, but even then Milner is also CM and LB cover.

They have definitely had luck with injuries for sure.
 

spids

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CM is definitely their area of depth. Curious as who you have as their backup RB however. If Gomez then that means moving their first choice CB (like us moving Toby to RB). If Fabinho then that's who is soon to be their regular first choice DM. Milner or a youth I guess, but even then Milner is also CM and LB cover.

They have definitely had luck with injuries for sure.

Alexander is their first choice RB. Gomes can play CB or RB, and if Alexander is absent Gomes tends to play RB with Matip partnering VVD at CB. Lovren is really their third choice partner for VVD with both Gomes and Matip ahead of him. They have had quite a few injuries in defence this year though.

Interesting to hear people's thoughts on which first choice back 5 is stronger:


Allisson
Alexander-Arnold Gomes Van Dyke Robertson

vs

Lloris
Trippier Alderweireld Vertonghen Davies

The statistics say Liverpool's is. They have conceded 10 whereas we have conceded 21.
 

wrd

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Alexander is their first choice RB. Gomes can play CB or RB, and if Alexander is absent Gomes tends to play RB with Matip partnering VVD at CB. Lovren is really their third choice partner for VVD with both Gomes and Matip ahead of him. They have had quite a few injuries in defence this year though.

Interesting to hear people's thoughts on which first choice back 5 is stronger:


Allisson
Alexander-Arnold Gomes Van Dyke Robertson

vs

Lloris
Trippier Alderweireld Vertonghen Davies

The statistics say Liverpool's is. They have conceded 10 whereas we have conceded 21.


I think their fullbacks absolutely destroy ours tbh. Gomez has been magnificent and obviously I rate Van Dijk Highly. I think CB's vs CB's is close with the quality of our 2 edging theirs but their fullbacks make a massive difference both defensively and in attack so overall they're edging us.
 

nicdic

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Alexander is their first choice RB. Gomes can play CB or RB, and if Alexander is absent Gomes tends to play RB with Matip partnering VVD at CB. Lovren is really their third choice partner for VVD with both Gomes and Matip ahead of him. They have had quite a few injuries in defence this year though.

Interesting to hear people's thoughts on which first choice back 5 is stronger:


Allisson
Alexander-Arnold Gomes Van Dyke Robertson

vs

Lloris
Trippier Alderweireld Vertonghen Davies

The statistics say Liverpool's is. They have conceded 10 whereas we have conceded 21.


You can't attribute the goals conceded in every PL game to those defences, when each has seen a number of changes.

If you want to compare those defences, you've got to count only the goals scored when those defences have played. My hunch is that that sample size is going to be far too small to tell you much that is meaningful.
 

nicdic

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Alexander is their first choice RB. Gomes can play CB or RB, and if Alexander is absent Gomes tends to play RB with Matip partnering VVD at CB. Lovren is really their third choice partner for VVD with both Gomes and Matip ahead of him. They have had quite a few injuries in defence this year though.

Interesting to hear people's thoughts on which first choice back 5 is stronger:


Allisson
Alexander-Arnold Gomes Van Dyke Robertson

vs

Lloris
Trippier Alderweireld Vertonghen Davies

The statistics say Liverpool's is. They have conceded 10 whereas we have conceded 21.
The back five you've quoted for us has played together a grand total of ZERO times in the league this season.
 
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SpartanSpur

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Alexander is their first choice RB. Gomes can play CB or RB, and if Alexander is absent Gomes tends to play RB with Matip partnering VVD at CB. Lovren is really their third choice partner for VVD with both Gomes and Matip ahead of him. They have had quite a few injuries in defence this year though.

Interesting to hear people's thoughts on which first choice back 5 is stronger:


Allisson
Alexander-Arnold Gomes Van Dyke Robertson

vs

Lloris
Trippier Alderweireld Vertonghen Davies

The statistics say Liverpool's is. They have conceded 10 whereas we have conceded 21.

From what I've seen they are clearly superior at full back. Goalkeeper - both have a ricket in them however Lloris has let a few more soft ones in this season IMHO. CBs are on par, and I would suggest Sanchez is better than Lovren and Matip too, both are underwhelming to me.

I really don't think having a starting CB as first choice RB cover is a good plan personally.

Also our goals conceded is as much due to our lack of DMs for a large chunk of the season as much as the rotating CB pairings IMO.
 

wrd

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The back five you've quoted for us has played together a grand total of ZERO times in the league this season.

I mean I didnt actually quote any just answered how I felt about our strongest cb pairing vs theirs, their main fullback pairing vs any of ours.
 
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nicdic

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I mean I didnt actually quote any just answered how I felt about our strongest cb pairing vs theirs their main fullback pairing vs any of ours.
Sorry quoted the wrong post, meant to quote @spids. Now fixed it.
 

nicdic

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Not true.
So you're going to say when we played a back three with wingbacks and Lloris counts?

You were comparing back fives, and so I checked how many league games we've started the back five you've quoted.
 

mike_l

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Alexander is their first choice RB. Gomes can play CB or RB, and if Alexander is absent Gomes tends to play RB with Matip partnering VVD at CB. Lovren is really their third choice partner for VVD with both Gomes and Matip ahead of him. They have had quite a few injuries in defence this year though.

Interesting to hear people's thoughts on which first choice back 5 is stronger:


Allisson
Alexander-Arnold Gomes Van Dyke Robertson

vs

Lloris
Trippier Alderweireld Vertonghen Davies

The statistics say Liverpool's is. They have conceded 10 whereas we have conceded 21.
Hardly a fair comparison, how many of our games have we actually started our first choice defence, and arguably neither of those fullbacks are our best anyway.
 

ginolaboy

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I wonder if we are going to hear from Rodney Marsh on whether Man City were 'classless arseholes' for bringing on Bernardo Silva at 7-0 up so that they could get a cheap 8th and 9th!?
 
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