The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Albertbarich]

Debt isn't just bad because you owe someone for something. We don't have bad debt, because we can afford to repay it and because it's secured against such an asset.

It's like claiming that it's a bad thing to have a mortgage, which it isn't.

We have good debt and an amazing stadium but it means little to us as fans if after all these years of building towards it we still can't /won't compete.

And I add won't because if you compare the wage to turnover ratio were way behind. I haven't checked but last time I did we had like 400 million in FFP to play with and I bet that's close to the most in the world. We won't of course but it's there.

So If you want to defend Levy on the premise that he has built an amazing business on the back by the way of TV money that he isn't responsible for then ok I agree but what now?

To challenge consistently we need to up the wage ratio and spend even more than he has been in recent years. I think everyone on here knowa that's isn't going to happen.

Yeah it's nice to do it organically but at the end of the day we're football fans. I don't support an investment company or someone trying to climb the FTSE 500 (Is climbing it a thing) but I support a football team and for years that football team has achieved very little with the promise of a rainbow at the end . Were at the end now and it isn't there?

We still can't compete, he is still banging on about FFP and the legislation to make that remotely effective would take years and by then if these people wanted to they would find new ways round It. So what the football fans are seeing is really really rich people making themselves far richer on the back of our club and we're still fifth or sixth best and being told to be happy about it because the stadium is nice.

But of a rant aimed at the thread in general not just you so apologies for quoting you but to bring it round to your point. I think people are irritated about the debt because they are boasting about building a stadium using club money with the club loaded with the debt whilst still not pushing the boat out for the actual team and their own personal worth sky rockets due to the clubs valuation.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

Aside from the morality aspect...there is also something to be said for sustainably growing a clubs finances and investing in infrastructure, local community and playing staff to grow the club organically.

Whether you like Levy or not, I think you have to agree we have taken a different approach to a Chelsea or a City. In my opinion, we have done it the right way.

Agreed. I like the innovation and the alternative business model to get us competitive without sell out and spend out.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

We have good debt and an amazing stadium but it means little to us as fans if after all these years of building towards it we still can't /won't compete.

And I add won't because if you compare the wage to turnover ratio were way behind. I haven't checked but last time I did we had like 400 million in FFP to play with and I bet that's close to the most in the world. We won't of course but it's there.

So If you want to defend Levy on the premise that he has built an amazing business on the back by the way of TV money that he isn't responsible for then ok I agree but what now?

To challenge consistently we need to up the wage ratio and spend even more than he has been in recent years. I think everyone on here knowa that's isn't going to happen.

Yeah it's nice to do it organically but at the end of the day we're football fans. I don't support an investment company or someone trying to climb the FTSE 500 (Is climbing it a thing) but I support a football team and for years that football team has achieved very little with the promise of a rainbow at the end . Were at the end now and it isn't there?

We still can't compete, he is still banging on about FFP and the legislation to make that remotely effective would take years and by then if these people wanted to they would find new ways round It. So what the football fans are seeing is really really rich people making themselves far richer on the back of our club and we're still fifth or sixth best and being told to be happy about it because the stadium is nice.

But of a rant aimed at the thread in general not just you so apologies for quoting you but to bring it round to your point. I think people are irritated about the debt because they are boasting about building a stadium using club money with the club loaded with the debt whilst still not pushing the boat out for the actual team and their own personal worth sky rockets due to the clubs valuation.

People are irritated by almost everything. Man City fans look irritated when they have to uncross their arms to clap a goal.

Our fans boo our own players coming on the pitch- just the black ones mind- it used to be get the manager out, now it’s get the Board out, maybe if it continues people will boo the pension funds and the banks and then it might really get interesting.

 

[Albertbarich]

People are irritated by almost everything. Man City fans look irritated when they have to uncross their arms to clap a goal.

Our fans boo our own players coming on the pitch- just the black ones mind- it used to be get the manager out, now it’s get the Board out, maybe if it continues people will boo the pension funds and the banks and then it might really get interesting.

Sorry mate I don't see how your post correlates with mine?

If you're saying football fans love to moan then ok? But billionaires love to be greedy arseholes, I know which set of people I'd defend,

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

Sorry mate I don't see how your post correlates with mine?

If you're saying football fans love to moan then ok? But billionaires love to be greedy arseholes, I know which set of people I'd defend,

Not correlation but I guess I was prompted by your explaining why people are irritated by manageable debt taken out by the football club they affiliate with. There's an escalation of things to be irritated by and I just wonder how far it will go. Maybe irritated football fans will overthrow capitalism ultimately.

 

[Cream]

How is that off topic Cream?

I don't know. I didn't mean to. Must have been scrolling and pressed by mistake.

#soz

 

[cliff jones]

People are irritated by almost everything. Man City fans look irritated when they have to uncross their arms to clap a goal.

Our fans boo our own players coming on the pitch- just the black ones mind- it used to be get the manager out, now it’s get the Board out, maybe if it continues people will boo the pension funds and the banks and then it might really get interesting.

I've heard boos for Dier, just to help take any sting out of that point buried conspicuously in the middle of your post.

Anyway, best get back on Levy/ENIC eh. Do you have anything new to say? Or just another day of patronising digs at the other side?

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

I've heard boos for Dier, just to help take any sting out of that point buried conspicuously in the middle of your post.

Anyway, best get back on Levy/ENIC eh. Do you have anything new to say? Or just another day of patronising digs at the other side?

Dier getting booed of course changes everything.

I thought it was quite an original take today tbf!

Respect to you and the other ousters @cliff jones.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I've heard boos for Tottenham fans, when the ENIC out chants went up mainly from the South when we were 2-0 down against Manure , where I sit in NW corner there were quite a few boos for those fans and no ENIC out chants.
If people want Levy out, find out where he lives and demonstrate outside , in the stadium support the team.

 

[sidford]

I've heard boos for Tottenham fans, when the ENIC out chants went up mainly from the South when we were 2-0 down against Manure , where I sit in NW corner there were quite a few boos for those fans and no ENIC out chants.
If people want Levy out, find out where he lives and demonstrate outside , in the stadium support the team.

Absolutely go nowhere near his house, that is scum behaviour and anyone who contemplates doing that should have a serious word with themselves if they think that is ok to do.

 

[Gingernut]

I've heard boos for Tottenham fans, when the ENIC out chants went up mainly from the South when we were 2-0 down against Manure , where I sit in NW corner there were quite a few boos for those fans and no ENIC out chants.
If people want Levy out, find out where he lives and demonstrate outside , in the stadium support the team.

Not sure that should be advised to be honest!

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Not sure that should be advised to be honest!

OK, do it at Hotspur Way , the last turn out was massive , about 20 wasn't it.
Levy is going nowhere until ENIC decide to sell , a few chants and picking on players will do nothing.

 

[easley91]

OK, do it at Hotspur Way , the last turn out was massive , about 20 wasn't it.
Levy is going nowhere until ENIC decide to sell , a few chants and picking on players will do nothing.

Yes do it at the training ground, or before/after games, or maybe ENIC's HQ wherever that is? But NEVER his actual home address.

 

[Stamford]

I've heard boos for Tottenham fans, when the ENIC out chants went up mainly from the South when we were 2-0 down against Manure , where I sit in NW corner there were quite a few boos for those fans and no ENIC out chants.
If people want Levy out, find out where he lives and demonstrate outside , in the stadium support the team.

That is mad. People can still support the team and demonstrate their opposition to ownership - we heard that against Liverpool and we heard it from the United fans at our stadium. People who dont agree with protest always find a way to complain or belittle others who do. If you dont agree with it fine but people are well within their rights. Re his house, no thats too far.

 

[FITZ]

At the stadium and training ground he’s our chairman.

At his home or on the street he’s a husband/father/person.

No one should cross that line.

 

[SpursForever71]

A pointless question that is being asked and debated in every pub in North London after every game.

I am a Season Ticket holder in the South who goes with Two other Season Ticket holders. We all have children who we take to the games. We are absolutely the people the "Enic Outers" need to win over if they are to get any real traction. I am willing to have the discussion but I want to know the stakes.

So I don't actually appreciate being called a "Troll" by asking question actual Spurs fans with actual tickets who go to actual games every fucking week. And often take our children only to have their days spoiled by the toxic atmosphere caused by this debate and so called "pointless question". Every single week there are discussions and debate about "is it worth protesting Enic if we end up being sold to Qatar". That is the question being asked in the stands by people who own season tickets. Sorry but it just is.

isnt the day spoiled by the boring football being churned out every week, because of the managers Levy has employed?
In this day and age of cost of living crisis etc i admire you can afford to have a season ticket etc, i am not one of them but it doesnt make me love Spurs less. Have supported Spurs 40+ years, been to WHL numerous times, most under Levy.
And just because i dont know the names of potential owners on the tip of my tongue, doesnt mean i am entitled to my opinion that we can to better than Levy\Enic

 

[DarwinSpur]

isnt the day spoiled by the boring football being churned out every week, because of the managers Levy has employed?
In this day and age of cost of living crisis etc i admire you can afford to have a season ticket etc, i am not one of them but it doesnt make me love Spurs less. Have supported Spurs 40+ years, been to WHL numerous times, most under Levy.
And just because i dont know the names of potential owners on the tip of my tongue, doesnt mean i am entitled to my opinion that we can to better than Levy\Enic

I wouldn't dream of suggesting not having a Season Ticket makes anyone any less of a fan. I've only had one since we moved to Wembley and the membership increased after 20 years of being lucky to get to League Cup games or the occasional Europa.

And I agree with you that we can (maybe) do better than Enic and (definitely) do better than Levy.

My point was that A&C saying that asking "Who takes over" is a pointless question is utter nonsense. Not least because that is exactly the debate being had, heatedly, in every game in the stands at the moment. People are passionate about Enic out over anything else. Other people want to know who takes over before committing to Enic out.

There is a clash between the two because Enic Out are asking the rest of us to take Direct Action against our owners - and that involves a hell of a lot of toxicity. It's unpleasant. SO if you want "the rest of the crowd" to buy into Enic Out you have to at least start answering their most basic and fundamental question which is: "Who takes over". And find a consensus.

Pretending the question is pointless is ludicrous at best and self-defeating at worst. People on here moan that the Levy out chants aren't loud enough - that's because a lot of people don't necessarily agree. And that's LEVY - not just Enic to whom supporters are generally are more disposed to than Levy who is generally considered a liability.

 

[chas vs dave]

We have good debt and an amazing stadium but it means little to us as fans if after all these years of building towards it we still can't /won't compete.

And I add won't because if you compare the wage to turnover ratio were way behind. I haven't checked but last time I did we had like 400 million in FFP to play with and I bet that's close to the most in the world. We won't of course but it's there.

So If you want to defend Levy on the premise that he has built an amazing business on the back by the way of TV money that he isn't responsible for then ok I agree but what now?

To challenge consistently we need to up the wage ratio and spend even more than he has been in recent years. I think everyone on here knowa that's isn't going to happen.

Yeah it's nice to do it organically but at the end of the day we're football fans. I don't support an investment company or someone trying to climb the FTSE 500 (Is climbing it a thing) but I support a football team and for years that football team has achieved very little with the promise of a rainbow at the end . Were at the end now and it isn't there?

We still can't compete, he is still banging on about FFP and the legislation to make that remotely effective would take years and by then if these people wanted to they would find new ways round It. So what the football fans are seeing is really really rich people making themselves far richer on the back of our club and we're still fifth or sixth best and being told to be happy about it because the stadium is nice.

But of a rant aimed at the thread in general not just you so apologies for quoting you but to bring it round to your point. I think people are irritated about the debt because they are boasting about building a stadium using club money with the club loaded with the debt whilst still not pushing the boat out for the actual team and their own personal worth sky rockets due to the clubs valuation.

Ffp isn't years away, the new rules will work. If they are enforced.

If is the appropriate word, since uefa are as bent as a 6 Bob note.

 

[SpursForever71]

I wouldn't dream of suggesting not having a Season Ticket makes anyone any less of a fan. I've only had one since we moved to Wembley and the membership increased after 20 years of being lucky to get to League Cup games or the occasional Europa.

And I agree with you that we can (maybe) do better than Enic and (definitely) do better than Levy.

My point was that A&C saying that asking "Who takes over" is a pointless question is utter nonsense. Not least because that is exactly the debate being had, heatedly, in every game in the stands at the moment. People are passionate about Enic out over anything else. Other people want to know who takes over before committing to Enic out.

There is a clash between the two because Enic Out are asking the rest of us to take Direct Action against our owners - and that involves a hell of a lot of toxicity. It's unpleasant. SO if you want "the rest of the crowd" to buy into Enic Out you have to at least start answering their most basic and fundamental question which is: "Who takes over". And find a consensus.

Pretending the question is pointless is ludicrous at best and self-defeating at worst. People on here moan that the Levy out chants aren't loud enough - that's because a lot of people don't necessarily agree. And that's LEVY - not just Enic to whom supporters are generally are more disposed to than Levy who is generally considered a liability.

to be fair most fans dont know who else is out there, but they will be out there. It doesnt mean we want oil rich money.
My main issue is the new stadium was built with the aim to make us more competitive on the football pitch (as THFC is a football team). The board (Not Just levy) have got distracted with promoting NFL, Rugby, Concerts, Boxing etc, and taken their eye off the footballing side, which is criminal to me. The fact they are only now addressing the footballing side, with the appointment of Munn etc shows that they are admitting that themselves.
All i want is our great football club to act like a football club\team, whoever owns it or is in day to day charge of it.

 

[Albertbarich]

Ffp isn't years away, the new rules will work. If they are enforced.

If is the appropriate word, since uefa are as bent as a 6 Bob note.

They will never work

Uefa are as dodgy as the nation states.