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Joely

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Rob said levy is already lining up summer signings with no manager in place. Ridiculous

Levy and his 'player trading'. Unfortunately this is exactly why we'll ultimately never get anywhere under him. No DoF or manager and the guy is targeting players....no doubt ones he feels are undervalued. such as Maddison.

Now this doesn't mean he can't sign decent players but the whole thing just feels so uncomfortable and out of sync with how a club should be run on the pitch. You got Levy working to some kind of plan of his own and then when a DoF and manager arrive. they'll have their own ideas. Levy isn't going to change and when I read this kind of thing, just confirms Levy needs someone who can be a yes man for at least a couple of years before it blows up as usual. It's no surprise we didn't go for Poch because he would pipe up and do wonder if it would actually work with someone like Nagelsmann.

Just makes me think even more things will only work, at least for 2-3 years, with Levy if we go for a manager who is looking to build his profile and make the jump from a lesser job and prepared to keep his mouth shut for a couple of years and just go along with Levy. If this is how things are going to continue to be, probably better off going down the Slot, Gallardo, Glasner, Bo Svensson etc route.

This is not how successful modern day clubs are run and again just smacks of Levy and his yes men cronies running things from their Ivory Tower.
 

Finchyid

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Rob said levy is already lining up summer signings with no manager in place. Ridiculous
Why would that be ridiculous? He could be lining up Maddison to avoid competition,? Pickford in case Everton get relegated. And the word lining doesn’t mean they don’t happen, it’s called planning!
 

yido_number1

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Why would that be ridiculous? He could be lining up Maddison to avoid competition,? Pickford in case Everton get relegated. And the word lining doesn’t mean they don’t happen, it’s called planning!
Thats great if it's your director of football and not Levy.

We need the manager signing players not a bald property magnate
 

Wiener

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yes Of course, that’s right. The ONLY alternative to ENIC is an “oil slave fund”. How silly of me. And wow you got me bang to rights. that would be my dream fantasy. was it that obvious

and yes, if we can find someone, anyone, out there in the whole wide world more morally compromised than Joe Lewis, then we don’t need to worry about that any more, phew…that’s a relief..thanks!

and thanks for making my point for me. To cheerlead for ENIC you have to set the bar very, very low
Please explain why you think Joe Lewis is morally compromised. And please cite sources.

He is by all accounts a very successful speculator and investor which makes him a target for those who believe capitalism is evil. Very little is known about him. The sources for the Argentina stories seem to come mostly from the more radical anti-capitalist left.
 

C-oops

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Think we need a thread for all the top class comedians to post their Levy/Munn caption competition zingers in. Am extremely concerned about the sheer number of incredibly funny comments I'm missing with them being spread out across several threads. Especially don't want to miss that one person who makes a joke involving coffee being too expensive etc....
 

Wils

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Why would that be ridiculous? He could be lining up Maddison to avoid competition,? Pickford in case Everton get relegated. And the word lining doesn’t mean they don’t happen, it’s called planning!
How do we know that's who the incoming dof & manager want? We don't appear to have them sorted out yet. These are the type of decisions that should be left to the dof & manager and that is the problem with Levy.
 

cliff jones

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We don’t know for sure what lining up means. If it’s to sniff out availability, price, personal terms even I don’t see the issue with that.

Unfortunately we have heard down the years including last summer’s window that “Club Signings” have been made, where the Head Coach/Manager has not been aligned.

Obviously this has to change.
 
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Barmby Army

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Please explain why you think Joe Lewis is morally compromised. And please cite sources.

He is by all accounts a very successful speculator and investor which makes him a target for those who believe capitalism is evil. Very little is known about him. The sources for the Argentina stories seem to come mostly from the more radical anti-capitalist left.
He's a billionaire. Being a billionaire is not a morally acceptable position for anyone. It's more money than anyone could ever possibly spend let alone need, choosing to keep it rather than donate to any of the many, many areas that need urgent help is fundamentally immoral.

We're not talking about a millionaire here - your mileage may vary on what is an 'acceptable' level of wealth to acquire, and I can understand why someone with, say, £50m could still feel like their life could be improved if they just had £5m more. We are talking about a level of wealth where it no longer has any use to him.

On top of that, from what I understand he lives in the Bahamas for the express purpose of not paying any tax - exploiting a loophole (designed by and for people like him) to ensure he doesn't even have to pay the amount he should be legally obliged to. Going out of his way to hoard wealth he has no use for, so that it can't be shared between the many people that do need it.

He might not be chopping journalists up and putting them in bin bags, but don't kid yourself for even a second that he's some benevolent good guy who just happened to make good on a few investments.
 

Ribble

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Please explain why you think Joe Lewis is morally compromised. And please cite sources.

You old enough to remember Black Wednesday? Lewis helped cause that by shorting the pound & that's where he made a substantial amount of this fortune.
 

brasil_spur

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Please explain why you think Joe Lewis is morally compromised. And please cite sources.

He is by all accounts a very successful speculator and investor which makes him a target for those who believe capitalism is evil. Very little is known about him. The sources for the Argentina stories seem to come mostly from the more radical anti-capitalist left.
Not going to cite sources but feel free to Google this shit and cite contradicting sources if you like.

Lewis was reported to have made more money betting against the UK economy on Black Wednesday than Sorros. Either way he made a shit tonne of money fucking over the UK, and more precisely fucking over the people of the UK. Interest base rate rose 5% in one day, the total cost to the country at the time was reported as over £3bn. He caused hardship for millions of people, forced people into poverty that weren't there beforehand and all for the sake of making money.

I don't believe capitalism is evil, but I believe that what Lewis did in 1992 was evil, he purposely caused the near collapse of the BoE in order to make himself wealthier, that's not capitalism, that's predatory narcissism.
 

Wiener

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He's a billionaire. Being a billionaire is not a morally acceptable position for anyone. It's more money than anyone could ever possibly spend let alone need, choosing to keep it rather than donate to any of the many, many areas that need urgent help is fundamentally immoral.

We're not talking about a millionaire here - your mileage may vary on what is an 'acceptable' level of wealth to acquire, and I can understand why someone with, say, £50m could still feel like their life could be improved if they just had £5m more. We are talking about a level of wealth where it no longer has any use to him.

On top of that, from what I understand he lives in the Bahamas for the express purpose of not paying any tax - exploiting a loophole (designed by and for people like him) to ensure he doesn't even have to pay the amount he should be legally obliged to. Going out of his way to hoard wealth he has no use for, so that it can't be shared between the many people that do need it.

He might not be chopping journalists up and putting them in bin bags, but don't kid yourself for even a second that he's some benevolent good guy who just happened to make good on a few investments.
I agree with you that I don't see why anyone would need so much money. However I don't think it helps to make a moral judgement on this matter. For a start you know very little about him. He is very private. Much of what is written about him is speculation. We don't know what he is worth and what he does with his money.

All that aside he seems to be operating within the law. It's very difficult, but not impossible, to legislate on this matter without infringing on an individuals right to privacy and general freedoms. Deciding what is an "acceptable level of wealth" is not as straightforward as you might think. I for one don't think it can thought of like that. I am all for a progressive tax system (wealth tax, inheritance tax etc) but it must be done carefully and certainly not with any sense of moral superiority.
 
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Wiener

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Not going to cite sources but feel free to Google this shit and cite contradicting sources if you like.

Lewis was reported to have made more money betting against the UK economy on Black Wednesday than Sorros. Either way he made a shit tonne of money fucking over the UK, and more precisely fucking over the people of the UK. Interest base rate rose 5% in one day, the total cost to the country at the time was reported as over £3bn. He caused hardship for millions of people, forced people into poverty that weren't there beforehand and all for the sake of making money.

I don't believe capitalism is evil, but I believe that what Lewis did in 1992 was evil, he purposely caused the near collapse of the BoE in order to make himself wealthier, that's not capitalism, that's predatory narcissism.
I am afraid I disagree. The main responsibility for that disaster lies with the UK government of the time.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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If people are complaining about Joe Lewis making money out of the pound and the UK , I'd like to complain about those who voted Brexit and cost this country billions , pension funds in the doldrums etc , but that's another story . I'm sure Levy voted Remain , good bloke.:)
 

Wiener

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You old enough to remember Black Wednesday? Lewis helped cause that by shorting the pound & that's where he made a substantial amount of this fortune.
The causes of Black Wednesday were poor political and economic policy by the UK government of the time. However I think we are going a little off-piste here.

I do respect your criticism but I don't think any of the criticism should be framed in moral terms. I am certainly not a libertarian but talking about this in terms of good and evil seems a bit OTT.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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There now follows 20 pages of bickering and cock jousting over Joe Lewis, 1000 shades of grey, Brexit and several yet to be revealed 'yeah but/what about' spin-offs :woot:
 

Japhet

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How do we know that's who the incoming dof & manager want? We don't appear to have them sorted out yet. These are the type of decisions that should be left to the dof & manager and that is the problem with Levy.

No harm in having the bare bones of a deal in place though is there?
 

spursfan1991

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Just listened to Talksport, they interviewed a bloke called David (WFH so did not note full name ) that worked with Poch when he was at Spurs and confirmed Levy liked and did have a say on player recruitment which was a frustration.

He also confirmed that Spurs had players on the verge of signing but levy pulled the plug and he believes if Levy didnt pull the plug, this player could have taken Spurs in a different direction. It was interesting to listen to someone confirm all the things levy has been accused off here. It shut Simon Jordan up which doesnt happen often.
 

bubble07

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Just listened to Talksport, they interviewed a bloke called David (WFH so did not note full name ) that worked with Poch when he was at Spurs and confirmed Levy liked and did have a say on player recruitment which was a frustration.

He also confirmed that Spurs had players on the verge of signing but levy pulled the plug and he believes if Levy didnt pull the plug, this player could have taken Spurs in a different direction. It was interesting to listen to someone confirm all the things levy has been accused off here. It shut Simon Jordan up which doesnt happen often.

Posted similar in the rebuild thread. But prob better here. Jordan was surprised that his mate Daniel had such a say
 

nedley

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A really interesting snippet via Talksport just now (11.30 onwards).

Interview with David Webb who was part of the Spurs recruitment setup when Poch was there.

Some interesting comments from him when questioned by Simon Jordan (in an attempt to validate his own defence of Daniel Levy).

* Levy had an opinion on players and whether they should or shouldn't be signed
*He would always get involved as the process evolved towards signing a player
*Poch had last say on signings however with Levy they didn't always get over the line.
*There were players that we had in the building that would have helped Poch moving forward but for whatever reasons we didn't get them done.

Felt he had more to say re Levy and it did make Jordan look abit silly in his defense.

Worth a listen.
 
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