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journeyman

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I’m not ‘Levy out’ so I’ll say what I came to say and fuck off and leave you in peace.

I don’t give Henry Winter or Matt Law any credit for these snide pile-on pieces. It’s the easiest thing in the world to kick a man when he’s down. Was it Levy who picked two wing-backs who don’t have a clue how to defend as the full-backs in a 4 on Sunday? Is Levy responsible for the massive drop in Son’s form this year, or the haplessness of Kulusevski & Romero since Christmas? Is it Levy who broke these players to the extent they can’t handle anything but a 3-4-3?

Levy has made plenty of mistakes. Hiring Nuno was stupid, as was retaining Stellini when Conte got the boot. Both recommendations of Paratici, apparently. Levy also fucked up massively in summer 2018 transfer window, including in not paying a relative pittance for Grealish.

But so many things he’s blamed for were easily defensible decisions at the time and it is Monday morning quarterbacking to say differently now. Poch had 25 points from 24 games before he was sacked and had hardly won away from home in the league in a year. Both Mourinho and Conte were appointments large sections of the fanbase supported each time, as hiring pragmatic ‘win now’ managers made a degree of sense when Kane & Son were in their prime. I don’t think any of us felt we had a better option than Conte when Nuno was (rightly) sacked. Most of us were thrilled to get him.

And then the nonsense that he hasn’t invested in the team? He invested for Poch in 2019 (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess), for Jose in 2020 (Bale, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Doherty, Bergwijn), for Nuno & Conte in 2021 & 2022 & 2023 (Romero, Emerson, Perisic, Richarlison, Bissouma, Bentancur, Porro, Kulu etc.) He has spent lots of money. But we were beaten 6-1 at the weekend by a team that contained Willock, Longstaff, Burn & Murphy in the starting line-up. We need to assign more fault to the guys hired to coach the players to perform.

So chant for Levy to go by all means, that’s your right. I don’t think it will work - he owns the club (with Lewis) so he’ll only go when he gets the money for the club that would make it worthwhile. But don’t for a second think the club we are today is in any way worse than the shitshow before Levy road into town. Or pretend that lots of decisions we portray as foolish now didn’t make sense at the time and for good reason. He needs to get the next decision on the coach right - as he did with Jol, Redknapp and Poch. Let’s not pretend though that lots of us and lots of journalists weren’t applauding other appointments that we make fun of now.

Ok, enough, I’ll fuck off.
 
robin09

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I would love to know the thought process behind us chasing Poch while he was at PSG, and then totally ignoring him for the last month while he’s a free agent.

It makes no sense to me at all.
 
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journeyman said:
I’m not ‘Levy out’ so I’ll say what I came to say and fuck off and leave you in peace.

I don’t give Henry Winter or Matt Law any credit for these snide pile-on pieces. It’s the easiest thing in the world to kick a man when he’s down. Was it Levy who picked two wing-backs who don’t have a clue how to defend as the full-backs in a 4 on Sunday? Is Levy responsible for the massive drop in Son’s form this year, or the haplessness of Kulusevski & Romero since Christmas? Is it Levy who broke these players to the extent they can’t handle anything but a 3-4-3?

Levy has made plenty of mistakes. Hiring Nuno was stupid, as was retaining Stellini when Conte got the boot. Both recommendations of Paratici, apparently. Levy also fucked up massively in summer 2018 transfer window, including in not paying a relative pittance for Grealish.

But so many things he’s blamed for were easily defensible decisions at the time and it is Monday morning quarterbacking to say differently now. Poch had 25 points from 24 games before he was sacked and had hardly won away from home in the league in a year. Both Mourinho and Conte were appointments large sections of the fanbase supported each time, as hiring pragmatic ‘win now’ managers made a degree of sense when Kane & Son were in their prime. I don’t think any of us felt we had a better option than Conte when Nuno was (rightly) sacked. Most of us were thrilled to get him.

And then the nonsense that he hasn’t invested in the team? He invested for Poch in 2019 (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess), for Jose in 2020 (Bale, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Doherty, Bergwijn), for Nuno & Conte in 2021 & 2022 & 2023 (Romero, Emerson, Perisic, Richarlison, Bissouma, Bentancur, Porro, Kulu etc.) He has spent lots of money. But we were beaten 6-1 at the weekend by a team that contained Willock, Longstaff, Burn & Murphy in the starting line-up. We need to assign more fault to the guys hired to coach the players to perform.

So chant for Levy to go by all means, that’s your right. I don’t think it will work - he owns the club (with Lewis) so he’ll only go when he gets the money for the club that would make it worthwhile. But don’t for a second think the club we are today is in any way worse than the shitshow before Levy road into town. Or pretend that lots of decisions we portray as foolish now didn’t make sense at the time and for good reason. He needs to get the next decision on the coach right - as he did with Jol, Redknapp and Poch. Let’s not pretend though that lots of us and lots of journalists weren’t applauding other appointments that we make fun of now.

Ok, enough, I’ll fuck off.
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This makes too much sense for the hate filled Mob unfortunately.

Also, even if we as fans had the power to affect whether Levy or ENIC goes or not. Isn't removing Levy with no idea who is better to replace him, exactly the lack of forethought and planning that some are accusing him of?

Yes things need to change if we are to win things consistently. I just hope Levy can figure how to do it, whether that's getting some investors in, adding more income from other sources so we can spend more consistently vs competition with massive funding ... it's hard .. always have been.
 
Trees

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RUWatching said:
This makes too much sense for the hate filled Mob unfortunately.

Also, even if we as fans had the power to affect whether Levy or ENIC goes or not. Isn't removing Levy with no idea who is better to replace him, exactly the lack of forethought and planning that some are accusing him of?

Yes things need to change if we are to win things consistently. I just hope Levy can figure how to do it, whether that's getting some investors in, adding more income from other sources so we can spend more consistently vs competition with massive funding ... it's hard .. always have been.
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It’s what Levy signed up for. He gets paid handsomely for it too.
 
Mattspurs1982

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Alistair gold’s lastest video suggesting the player committee is made up of Kane, Lloris, Hoijberg and Dier. Concerning that Dier is part of this when he arguably isn’t good enough.
 
NEVILLEB

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journeyman said:
I’m not ‘Levy out’ so I’ll say what I came to say and fuck off and leave you in peace.

I don’t give Henry Winter or Matt Law any credit for these snide pile-on pieces. It’s the easiest thing in the world to kick a man when he’s down. Was it Levy who picked two wing-backs who don’t have a clue how to defend as the full-backs in a 4 on Sunday? Is Levy responsible for the massive drop in Son’s form this year, or the haplessness of Kulusevski & Romero since Christmas? Is it Levy who broke these players to the extent they can’t handle anything but a 3-4-3?

Levy has made plenty of mistakes. Hiring Nuno was stupid, as was retaining Stellini when Conte got the boot. Both recommendations of Paratici, apparently. Levy also fucked up massively in summer 2018 transfer window, including in not paying a relative pittance for Grealish.

But so many things he’s blamed for were easily defensible decisions at the time and it is Monday morning quarterbacking to say differently now. Poch had 25 points from 24 games before he was sacked and had hardly won away from home in the league in a year. Both Mourinho and Conte were appointments large sections of the fanbase supported each time, as hiring pragmatic ‘win now’ managers made a degree of sense when Kane & Son were in their prime. I don’t think any of us felt we had a better option than Conte when Nuno was (rightly) sacked. Most of us were thrilled to get him.

And then the nonsense that he hasn’t invested in the team? He invested for Poch in 2019 (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess), for Jose in 2020 (Bale, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Doherty, Bergwijn), for Nuno & Conte in 2021 & 2022 & 2023 (Romero, Emerson, Perisic, Richarlison, Bissouma, Bentancur, Porro, Kulu etc.) He has spent lots of money. But we were beaten 6-1 at the weekend by a team that contained Willock, Longstaff, Burn & Murphy in the starting line-up. We need to assign more fault to the guys hired to coach the players to perform.

So chant for Levy to go by all means, that’s your right. I don’t think it will work - he owns the club (with Lewis) so he’ll only go when he gets the money for the club that would make it worthwhile. But don’t for a second think the club we are today is in any way worse than the shitshow before Levy road into town. Or pretend that lots of decisions we portray as foolish now didn’t make sense at the time and for good reason. He needs to get the next decision on the coach right - as he did with Jol, Redknapp and Poch. Let’s not pretend though that lots of us and lots of journalists weren’t applauding other appointments that we make fun of now.

Ok, enough, I’ll fuck off.
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No they didn’t make sense of the time.
 
bat-chain

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Levy needs to find a way of stop Pochettino going to Chelsea in the next 24 hours, pay him not to take it, anything
 
Hakkz

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Mattspurs1982 said:
Alistair gold’s lastest video suggesting the player committee is made up of Kane, Lloris, Hoijberg and Dier. Concerning that Dier is part of this when he arguably isn’t good enough.
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It's not concerning because he is one of our longer serving players. It's concerning because we haven't sold him long ago.
 
Stamford

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RUWatching said:
This makes too much sense for the hate filled Mob unfortunately.

Also, even if we as fans had the power to affect whether Levy or ENIC goes or not. Isn't removing Levy with no idea who is better to replace him, exactly the lack of forethought and planning that some are accusing him of?

Yes things need to change if we are to win things consistently. I just hope Levy can figure how to do it, whether that's getting some investors in, adding more income from other sources so we can spend more consistently vs competition with massive funding ... it's hard .. always have been.
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I hate this patronising tone. We're hate filled and we can't comprehend the other sides opinion because we want Levy to go? Don't be so condescending.

For years those who wanted levy out were told be careful what you wish for or the absurd "look at Leeds". Now many including myself would prefer to risk it because Levy is undoing all the good work he has done to lift the club up. We can't continue to let levy make bad decisions because someone else might be worse
 
RuskyM

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NEVILLEB said:
No they didn’t make sense of the time.
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Mourinho thread: https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/jose-mourinho.140580/

Conte thread: https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ex-manager-watch-antonio-conte.147650/

They were popular appointments. As were the signings of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Richarlison. Sure there were some dissenting voices but the suggestion is all of Levy's decisions were doomed, which apart from Stellini (and maybe Nuno, which was more Paratici right?) just isn't true. He isn't trying to break us.
 
Archibald&Crooks

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journeyman said:
But so many things he’s blamed for were easily defensible decisions at the time and it is Monday morning quarterbacking to say differently now.
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Some of us were (and have been) telling people about Levy for a very very long time. Every day of the week and not just Mondays.

It got poo-poo'd at the time and now it's still being poo poo'd with this 'hindsight' rubbish not to mention the beware the bogeyman stuff I got fed about how green the grass isn't, Leeds and trust me, I was very careful what I wished for. How do you think that yoke worked out?

It's a shame that there are still people looking for ways to excuse all of this but that's the nature of football v opinions I suppose.
 
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