The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Styopa]

Oh I agree, fact is though he is going to make the decision so it might as well be a manager he actually wants.

I see the logic, but he also seemed to greatly want Mourinho and Conte.

Given those appointments blew up in his face, I'm not sure we can assume Levy getting who he wants is automatically the best thing for the club. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it is where we are right now.

 

[longtimespur]

Oh I agree, fact is though he is going to make the decision so it might as well be a manager he actually wants.

Unfortunately that probably wont be the one we need.
Another problem being the fans can't even agree on who we should have so I understand it's hard for Daniel

 

[Albertbarich]

I'm not saying it would, but that's on us - or more accurately, our chairman. The point is, it can be done - as there are a number of examples. The barrier to us being able to do it appears to be Daniel.

It just seems odd to me to use the ingratitude and entitlement of Liverpool fans as an excuse to suggest FSG aren't better owners. I reckon as close to 100% of Spurs fans as you're ever going to get would take the season Liverpool are having if it meant we'd won a title, a Champions League and domestic cups in seasons prior. Don't you? Some might say that's all down to Klopp, but who appointed him, who backed him? Would Levy have done that?
Similarly at Newcastle, they have not spent or recruited at a level beyond our means (yet) but they look set to achieve the goal of Champions League qualification after 1 year - the same feat that took ENIC 10 years.

My main issue with Daniel is not about how much we have or haven't spent, it's the absence of any clear vision, any coherent strategy. That's been hurting us in terms of recruitment for years now - both with players and managers. It's staggering that he doesn't seem to have learned anything in 20+ years - we can point to the same repeated mistakes as evidence for this.

Two years ago we sacked Mourinho, appointed an interim, and took our time to get the next appointment right - with all that guff about DNA. We took all summer, flitted around aimlessly and ended up with a baffling appointment. Then we binned that off when the error was impossible to ignore anymore and panic appointed Conte. Now we've sacked Conte, appointed an interim, and are taking our time to get the next appointment right...

It's shambolic, and totally avoidable - if you have an actual plan rather than playing the football manager equivalent of pin the tail on the Nuno.

We haven't finished the season with the same manager who started it for 4 years - our chairman and board keep getting it wrong because they clearly have no idea what right looks like. That is abject.

It may be that the appointment of Munn will help, but because of the latency in strategic roles like his we're not going to see signs of it for a while - Daniel's best hope to quell the unrest right now is that he gets lucky with the next manager. Luck is not a strategy, but it's all we've got - I'm sorry, but that's not good enough, at any level or in any industry.

Isnt the difference really that Liverpool backed Klopp by selling a wantaway player and then investing (and getting it right) in two crucial players .

Poch didn't want to sell one player, he wanted a full rebuild, he was right and we made the wrong choice and now we're here.

However if FSG didn't have Klopp I'm not sure they would be any wiser than our clowns in knowing what to do

 

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[Stoof]

Whilst I agree with you Levy has made it sooooooooo easy for fans to blame him.
If he hadn't made so many cock-ups in the past maybe people wouldn't jump to this conclusion.
I for one wouldn't put it past him to do such a thing.

Sorry mate, the last sentence is nonsense. He’s the fucking chairman, he doesn’t know how the back end of two systems communicate and integrate with one another. It’s an unintended consequence that they would have corrected in a non-social media world with no-one batting an eyelid.

Tin hats can come off mate.

 

[kursaal]

A magnificent and very damning article against Levy's running of Tottenham. I do not know the author or nor do I have anything to do.with the site. I simply thought - wow - every Spurs fan needs to read this. The Levy apologists will no.doubt mark me down but I don't care.

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[DiVaio]

That's not true at all, it's much more than just the Head Coach - it's the strategy and structure, having an Edwards, Eales, Edu, Barber. Having a vision, a direction and a plan.

That's where we fall down. Repeatedly.

Barber has been in Brighton since 2012, I don't remember any praise for Brighton as a well-run club until let's say 2020 when Potter started playing attractive football. And let's be honest, their status when basically no one will care if they end the season 17th helps them massively.

I wouldn't say Arsenal fans saw Edu having a vision, a direction or a plan until last season when Arteta started doing well. And one of crucial reason why it happened was Arteta vetoing Edu's transfer decisions, for example signing Ramsdale instead of Neto.

 

[jimbo]

Isnt the difference really that Liverpool backed Klopp by selling a wantaway player and then investing (and getting it right) in two crucial players .

Poch didn't want to sell one player, he wanted a full rebuild, he was right and we made the wrong choice and now we're here.

However if FSG didn't have Klopp I'm not sure they would be any wiser than our clowns in knowing what to do

Right, but what you're saying there translates to me as "Isn't the difference that FSG understood how to run a sports team and ENIC don't?"

They've done much more to back Klopp than just seeling Coutinho and buying Salah and Mane as well.

But the real key was that they quickly identified the manager they wanted and went and got him. We've failed to do that so many times - and even now, we don't have a clear idea of who we want. I reckon if Klopp left tomorrow Liverpool would have brought in a manager in a much shorter timeframe than we've taken to faff about to this point post-Conte - and there's a much, much better chance they'd get the fit right too. We'll have to wait and see on that, but we can look at how Brighton operate, how they swiftly replaced Potter with De Zerbi, to show that once again it can be done if you have a clear strategy.

If Liverpool above us and Brighton below us, in terms of stature, can do this then it's clear that not only could we do it too but that we absolutely should. The examples for scattergunning owners who don't have a plan are all much, much worse - eg, Everton.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Sugar was an ignorant clown and his time at the club an unmitigated disaster.

While you're right, and it still makes my stomach turn saying it, without Sugar investing with Venables and putting his own cash on the line, we would be supporting the North London Lilywhites by this stage as THFC ws on the verge of collapse under Irving Scholar.

It was a long time ago and I don't think some of the younger fans realise how close we came to losing it all at that stage.

 

[Trix]

I see the logic, but he also seemed to greatly want Mourinho and Conte.

Given those appointments blew up in his face, I'm not sure we can assume Levy getting who he wants is automatically the best thing for the club. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it is where we are right now.

We can't be sure, but I'd say hiring someone he doesn't want definitely isn't.

 

[jimbo]

Barber has been in Brighton since 2012, I don't remember any praise for Brighton as a well-run club until let's say 2020 when Potter started playing attractive football. And let's be honest, their status when basically no one will care if they end the season 17th helps them massively.

I wouldn't say Arsenal fans saw Edu having a vision, a direction or a plan until last season when Arteta started doing well. And one of crucial reason why it happened was Arteta vetoing Edu's transfer decisions, for example signing Ramsdale instead of Neto.

Brighton were receiving lots of praise for how they were run whilst still in The Championship, it's been a long-term plan but that's what they needed, and it's worked out handsomely for them. You may not have seen much of that as we tend to live in a Premier League bubble, but it was there.

What Arsenal fans do or don't see, what Liverpool fans think of FSG is not really relevant. I think you'll find Arsenal fans are pretty happy right now (if sweating a bit). Having a plan is not a 'fan' thing - it's just good sense. Not having one is why we're in a mess. Let's hope we've figured that out, and this is a low-point that will spark improvement - but getting it right from now doesn't excuse the failures of the past.

 

[Darth Vega]

A magnificent and very damning article against Levy's running of Tottenham. I do not know the author or nor do I have anything to do.with the site. I simply thought - wow - every Spurs fan needs to read this. The Levy apologists will no.doubt mark me down but I don't care.

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This isn't a response to you because I know you didn't write this, but I feel as if I've read a half dozen of these articles over the past two months and the big issue with them is that they often start well then descend into hyperbole, stating opinions as fact, or just straight up lying so we end up looking silly. In this piece alone for example, the author states:

• "Eric Dier, Ben Davies, and Davinson Sanchez would struggle in the Championship. That’s not hyperbole or satire, it’s fact." I half wanted to write my own article against this statement alone but it's so hyperbolic - despite the author's insistence - that it's a waste of time even debating it.
  
  
• Both tried; Mourinho for Dias and Skriniar, Conte for Bastoni and Gvardiol. Both were met with the same answer: No." To the best of my knowledge, most of this is false. Mourinho turned down Dias of his own accord and Gvardiol didn't even go to Chelsea when they offered Leipzig £80M. I'll give you Skriniar and Bastoni and I agree with the overall sentiment of the point 100%, but it's more hyperbole that does the author no favours.
  
  
• "But as Walker grew restless, and demanded a higher salary more commensurate with his standing in the game, Levy refused." Walker left because he had a bust up with Pochettino and to win things at a bigger club and play under a better manager, not because we didn't offer him the right amount of money. Sadly, his decision has been entirely vindicated.

I am absolutely as Levy out as they come and have been for years and years and years. As far as I'm concerned he should have walked the second the idea of ripping the heart and soul out of the club to move us to Stratford even crossed his mind as a joke, let alone something we pissed away 18 months worth of time seriously pursuing.

I'm probably overreacting given it's just a random article but the point is we as a collective do this constantly and we get pulled up on Twitter, social media in general, talkSPORT, etc and it just makes us look like idiots. It's incredibly frustrating because Levy has made enough mistakes that it should be like shooting fish in a barrel, so if we're going to criticise him - and we absolutely should - then at the very least let's criticise him correctly.

 

[McFlash]

That's not true at all, it's much more than just the Head Coach - it's the strategy and structure, having an Edwards, Eales, Edu, Barber. Having a vision, a direction and a plan.

That's where we fall down. Repeatedly.

Yep, we need a proper vision throughout the club.
Through all of Contes time here, none of the academy teams adopted the formation of the first team, they all play four at the back.
We need a manager and a DoF with a philosophy that will translate to all levels, making it easier for youngsters to step up should they be good enough.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

when's the next manager thread coming back, anyone know?

 

[Cinemattis]

IIRC: around or during the World Cup last December, one of our ITKs dropped several hints about the daughter of Joe Lewis had been making waves/questioning Levy´s performance. At the time there were also hints that the same Miss Lewis would be taking over the role of her father as the majority stakeholder in ENIC - and thus being the one person to be in position to put real pressure on Levy (or even make him step aside as chairman of THFC).


Is there any knowledge or news on how this turned out? Or any developments?

I know very well which ITK it was that brought these news, but I also know that we cannot ask any of the ITKs directly about stuff. It might be that I have missed the conclusion of this story - and if so I would be immensely grateful if someone here could be so kind to enlighten me.

If @Rob , @Archibald&Crooks or any of the other admins could comment on this it would be great, as I felt at the time that his was a very interesting development - and in light of the current state of affairs - still very much is?

 

[Wiener]

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There is nothing new there. It's very long and full of inconsistencies and opinions presented as facts.

To be fair to the author I skim read most of it and only fully read the first few paragraphs. Pretty early on the author writes:

"It was the culmination of two decades worth of failed gambles, of a club drifting aimlessly through the void, bereft of strategy, direction, or hope"

There clearly have been successes, both on and off the pitch. Right now the club has pretty solid financial and infrastructural foundations and we are only going to get stronger (at least relative to other viably and ethically run clubs).

Read the article if you want to indulge your sense of frustration but not if you want to really work out what's going on at the club.

 

[mil1lion]

The issue we face now is fans are so on edge they will jump on anything. I mean you get a fan who sees the loyalty points have gone and what's the reaction? Take a screenshot and post it on social media rather than contact the club and find out whats happening first. It just creates more negativity in the fanbase. We do need to calm down a bit. I'm not happy with Levy but also not everything is a stick to beat him with either. Some fans are still an issue too, like booing Sanchez but moaning at the club too.

God forbid if we were in a relegation battle rather than challenging for Europe. A bit of perspective is also required. It's all a bit hyperbole at the moment.

 

[mmidgers]

The only difference of what Levy is doing and what FSG or Kroenke are doing is which club's manager at the moment is doing really good job.
Liverpool fans wants their owners out as club is underperforming because their midfield is poor, which was well reported it was Klopp decision to extend contract with Henderson, Milner etc and not because FSG are greedy and doesn't want to invest in their squad.

The chairmen of those clubs more than likely won't interfere in transfer targets and prioritize opportunistic purchases over squad building. That would appear to be the big difference to how those clubs are run Vs ours.

 

[dickieven]

A magnificent and very damning article against Levy's running of Tottenham. I do not know the author or nor do I have anything to do.with the site. I simply thought - wow - every Spurs fan needs to read this. The Levy apologists will no.doubt mark me down but I don't care.

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Its magnificent if it suits your agenda but when factualy incorrect and full of exageration then it is not magnificent in my view. I have to admit I didnt even make it half way through the article so if the end was great I apologise.

We are in a mess but we are also in a better position on and off the pitch than pre Levy. Look at every club over the past 20 years and there will hardly be any that hasn't gone through challenges and times like this. Even the bankrolled clubs.

We are having our worst season ever according to people on here yet we are still in 6th and a shout of getting in to Europe. I would have taken that 20+ years ago when a top half finish was basically the goal.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

when's the next manager thread coming back, anyone know?

Considering it got flooded after the Newcastle humiliation its probably a good bet it comes back when the dust has settled after the Liverpool game OR if there is some clear update on a new manger. Im assuming the ITK's haven't heard anything new and the press seem to be recycling the same story about Nagelsmann being interested but wanting spending guarantees. We already know Slot and JN are favourites so one assumes there just isn't anything new.

Just have to hope that something positive happens in the next week or two but im not going to be holding my breath.