The Managerial Merry-go-round

[nuttynoah]

And don't forget the king story
https://www.balls.ie/football/alan-pardew-378605

 

[spursfan77]

And don't forget the king story
https://www.balls.ie/football/alan-pardew-378605

A certain amount of arrogance is a good thing. But being a dick is just being a dick and here he was being a dick. AKA himself.

 

[tommo84]

Any recommendations for the next WBA manager? Mick McCarthy seems to be favourite at the moment.

The Mick McCarthy situation is an odd one, but not that odd for McCarthy himself, as its not dissimilar to what happened at Wolves.

A lot of Ipswich fans have completely walked away from the club in the past 2 seasons, not because results have been terrible but because of a combination of average results with terrible performances and style of football, and McCarthy's own attitude towards the fans. Of course, Ipswich aren't a high profile club and McCarthy has a lot of friends in the media because he's seen as a character and gives them decent quotes. What those friends in the media overlook is how much those quotes tend to alienate the supporters of the club he's working for at the time (we had this to a degree with Harry Redknapp). The media also has this reductive view of football at all levels that its 'a results business'. That is true for a lot of owners, and for fans of some clubs, but first and foremost football is an entertainment business. If your team is winning then that, in itself, can be entertaining, but if the team isn't winning then what is left if you're not playing on the front foot and exciting your fans? Since Ipswich announced Mick would leave several pundits have pointed out the lack of resource and the problems with the ownership there - and that is a valid argument and provides context for what Ipswich fans should expect - but the Ipswich fans aren't expecting promotion as they themselves know the club has no money. So if they can't expect to win, was it/is it unreasonable for the fans to demand some entertainment? I don't think so.

Now he's finally gone and many Ipswich fans have announced they will return to the club and purchase season tickets for next season as they can finally look forward to watching their team again. Meanwhile McCarthy's services seem to be in demand among clubs of other Championship teams and he's among the favourites for the Baggies post - this is no doubt because he is seen as a safe pair of hands, and I don't think he's at all a bad manager. But if he's in a job where there is no immediate upside to his pragmatic approach - getting out of a relegation battle of battling for promotion - then there is no upside to his approach at all, as he's got a track record of alienating fans and steadily becoming less effective at each club he's gone to. Given that West Brom have already gone down this path with Tony Pulis, I'm surprised they want to repeat it with McCarthy.

 

['O Zio]

Another of this type is Paul Clement. When he's out of football, he talks to the media like a serious, sober-minded grown-up. The very epitome of a cool head. I suspect he interviews brilliantly. But the moment he's put in charge, he turns into a hot, sweaty, mumbling mess. A panic merchant and buck-passer. And of course he's just walked into another very good job, at Reading. I'd be surprised if he lasts a year.

I've started to think he's a bit like Steve McClaren in the sense that he's a very highly rated coach/assistant but just doesn't have what it takes to be the No.1. Although admittedly McClaren did take the Boro to the UEFA Cup final somehow

 

[worcestersauce]

Joey Barton has been appointed head coach of Fleetwood Town today, I think he may very well make a success of that there's more between his ears than many people think if you ask me.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-town-manager-on-threeyear-deal-a3817461.html

 

[tommo84]

Joey Barton has been appointed head coach of Fleetwood Town today, I think he may very well make a success of that there's more between his ears than many people think if you ask me.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-town-manager-on-threeyear-deal-a3817461.html

I wish him well but I question whether he has the temperament for management. Can’t imagine him showing a great deal of patience with players.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I wish him well but I question whether he has the temperament for management. Can’t imagine him showing a great deal of patience with players.

Want to bet?

 

['O Zio]

Joey Barton has been appointed head coach of Fleetwood Town today, I think he may very well make a success of that there's more between his ears than many people think if you ask me.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-town-manager-on-threeyear-deal-a3817461.html

Meh..I've never really bought into this whole idea that he's some sort of intellectual like people make out. So he listens to The Smiths, brags about reading books from a community college philosophy class, and makes fairly generic left-leaning statements on social media about politics. To me that all screams not so much "sophisticated intellectual" as it does cliche hipster teenager in their first year of Uni expressing what they think is their "individuality" without realising they're just being a massive stereotype.

No matter how much Philosophy for Dummies he reads, the amount of utterly stupid shit he's done over the years far far outweighs any semblance of being intelligent.

 

[worcestersauce]

Meh..I've never really bought into this whole idea that he's some sort of intellectual like people make out. So he listens to The Smiths, brags about reading books from a community college philosophy class, and makes fairly generic left-leaning statements on social media about politics. To me that all screams not so much "sophisticated intellectual" as it does cliche hipster teenager in their first year of Uni expressing what they think is their "individuality" without realising they're just being a massive stereotype.

No matter how much Philosophy for Dummies he reads, the amount of utterly stupid shit he's done over the years far far outweighs any semblance of being intelligent.

Yes but will he make a good coach?

 

['O Zio]

Yes but will he make a good coach?

Not a chance. Matter of time before he falls out with everyone I expect. Let's not forget he publicly slagged off his former Rangers team mates on national radio saying it was too frustrating for him because his teammates weren't at his level (in his humble opinion) so what the hell is he going to make of a bunch of League 1 players?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Interesting that Bayern have gone for Kovac. Clearly not their first choice, but he seems like a decent coach in his limited career so far. Took Frankfurt from relegation threatened to challenging for CL place and a cup final in two years.

 

[Insomnia]

Meh..I've never really bought into this whole idea that he's some sort of intellectual like people make out. So he listens to The Smiths, brags about reading books from a community college philosophy class, and makes fairly generic left-leaning statements on social media about politics. To me that all screams not so much "sophisticated intellectual" as it does cliche hipster teenager in their first year of Uni expressing what they think is their "individuality" without realising they're just being a massive stereotype.

No matter how much Philosophy for Dummies he reads, the amount of utterly stupid shit he's done over the years far far outweighs any semblance of being intelligent.

I'm currently 3/4's of the way through his autobiography & I couldn't make you more wrong in your assessment of him. He's had a really hard start in life & what got him where he was also had a negative affect on him off of the football pitch. It's a very very interesting read & coupling that together with how well he comes across on talksport I for one think he's going to surprise a lot of people as a manager/ coach. He was an underrated player, one our team at the time could of done with. I guess he's one of those people that's been judged through the red-tops. I like him, good luck Joe

 

['O Zio]

I'm currently 3/4's of the way through his autobiography & I couldn't make you more wrong in your assessment of him. He's had a really hard start in life & what got him where he was also had a negative affect on him off of the football pitch. It's a very very interesting read & coupling that together with how well he comes across on talksport I for one think he's going to surprise a lot of people as a manager/ coach. He was an underrated player, one our team at the time could of done with. I guess he's one of those people that's been judged through the red-tops. I like him, good luck Joe

Yeah fair enough, you obviously know a lot more about him than I do if you've read his autobiography. That said it's obviously got to be taken with a pinch of salt given that it's naturally going to be his side of the story.

I'll admit he was a decent player back at the start of his career but unfortunately his temper and everything else that went with it we more than enough to put me off ever considering him as a potential signing.

 

[Insomnia]

Yeah fair enough, you obviously know a lot more about him than I do if you've read his autobiography. That said it's obviously got to be taken with a pinch of salt given that it's naturally going to be his side of the story.

I'll admit he was a decent player back at the start of his career but unfortunately his temper and everything else that went with it we more than enough to put me off ever considering him as a potential signing.

The reason it's such a good read is it is because it's his side & it's one hell of an eye opener. I'd definately recommend it if you like a good book

 

[Marty]

Interesting that Bayern have gone for Kovac. Clearly not their first choice, but he seems like a decent coach in his limited career so far. Took Frankfurt from relegation threatened to challenging for CL place and a cup final in two years.

His tenure as Croatia boss is all I really know him from, more specifically his final game in charge against Norway where you could see that the players wanted him sacked. They showed no effort or desire at all and probably the shittest Norway side since the 80s, and that's saying something given that they haven't been in a tournament since 2000, won easily. Apparently he and Modric, obviously so influential in that side, fell out badly.

It'll be interesting to see if he manages the big players with the big egos better at Bayern.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

His tenure as Croatia boss is all I really know him from, more specifically his final game in charge against Norway where you could see that the players wanted him sacked. They showed no effort or desire at all and probably the shittest Norway side since the 80s, and that's saying something given that they haven't been in a tournament since 2000, won easily. Apparently he and Modric, obviously so influential in that side, fell out badly.

It'll be interesting to see if he manages the big players with the big egos better at Bayern.

Hmmm...good luck with that

 

[Krule]

Wasn't Kovac originally a bald headed detective ??

 

[spursfan77]

I'm currently 3/4's of the way through his autobiography & I couldn't make you more wrong in your assessment of him. He's had a really hard start in life & what got him where he was also had a negative affect on him off of the football pitch. It's a very very interesting read & coupling that together with how well he comes across on talksport I for one think he's going to surprise a lot of people as a manager/ coach. He was an underrated player, one our team at the time could of done with. I guess he's one of those people that's been judged through the red-tops. I like him, good luck Joe

Id rather not have a person who stubs out cigars in people’s eyes at THFC thanks.

 

[neilp]

There are strong whispers around Ipswich that Slippy Steve will be their next manager

 

['O Zio]

There are strong whispers around Ipswich that Slippy Steve will be their next manager

You mean McClaren?