The Deadline Day ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September

[T-Bone]

Anyone who's looked at Romero's disciplinary and injury records and decided we don't need to worry about a quality backup is negligent. VDV seems to like a last minute sliding tackle too.

I agree with this Rob but then i am thinking maybe this year is a free hit for Ange and who knows maybe Philips or Dorrington could be the next Ledley and could be dominating in training but we will never know how could they can be without trying them.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Anyone who's looked at Romero's disciplinary and injury records and decided we don't need to worry about a quality backup is negligent. VDV seems to like a last minute sliding tackle too.

You know who has more YCs than Romero this season - Sanchez...


Seriously though - don't discount Romero's new leadership role in the club when it comes to both disciplinary issues and little niggling injuries this season.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

'To dare is to do', but according to some on here, dare is synonymous with spend.

We'll be playing one game a week almost every week until January. We don't need a massive squad and we have to take the chances we get to trim it.

Don't disagree, but we look very light at CB

 

[SonnySpurs]

Keep in mind Sanchez had 1 year left on his contract, getting any money for him could be valuable especially as it was obvious he had no future here

 

[TheHodFather]

Maybe, but not necessarily. Dier's been effectively frozen out already. My assumption is that Davies becomes the backup at both CB and LB, and Sess might become the main LB backup when he's back.

Fairly sure that if you have space in your squad to register players then you have to do it. So the only way Dier could be not registered is if we have more than 25 senior players, or more than 17 overseas senior players.

 

[nicdic]

The main thing with Ange’s is not just the high line it’s how the full backs push when on the ball. This means the CB’s have to be great one vs one as the flank gets exposed, this isn’t something that Davies is known for and he didn’t look that solid in pre season playing CB in this system. VDV on the other hand looks built to be a player in this sytem.

We bought VDV, got Philips for youth and went for Kelly, all big, quick physically dominate CB’s. So it’s clear their is a type of CB that we need. I think it’s more likely we will gamble Philips if VDV or Romero get crocked.

Completely agree. But I didn't say Davies was the right profile, I said he's more than capable of filling in. Which is hopefully all that would be required. Of course if we were to have any longer term, or multiple longer term absences, we're relying on unproven players (Phillips, Dorrington), or I'm guessing players somewhat out of positions (Royal).

I can't say I was particularly enamoured with any of the options we were scrabbling for on deadline day, so perhaps this gives us a better chance to look for someone who can challenge for a regular starting place, rather than an obvious back up.

Clutching at straws, maybe, but I'd rather try and see positives than think the worst about every decision the club makes.

Anyone who's looked at Romero's disciplinary and injury records and decided we don't need to worry about a quality backup is negligent. VDV seems to like a last minute sliding tackle too.

Over the past two seasons in the league Romero has averaged a yellow card every 2.75 games, and has one red in 49 PL appearances.

So far this season he has no yellow cards in the opening four. I highly doubt that he won't pick up a ban at all all season, but it has seemed as though he is a bit less rash so far this season. In the two seasons with us he's missed four games through suspension in the league. I think we over exaggerate a little his discipline, particularly with regards to the PL.

 

[nicdic]

Fairly sure that if you have space in your squad to register players then you have to do it. So the only way Dier could be not registered is if we have more than 25 senior players, or more than 17 overseas senior players.

I don't know that that can be true. But I think even it were, we'd probably register Alfie Whiteman at this stage before Eric Dier or Hugo Lloris.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

We've wanted Sanchez gone for a while so lets trust Ange and get him off the payroll and hopefully we have targets for January lined up.

 

[TheHodFather]

I don't know that that can be true. But I think even it were, we'd probably register Alfie Whiteman at this stage before Eric Dier or Hugo Lloris.

Can't find the rule but IIRC the purpose was to stop clubs from deliberately leaving space in their squad to sign free agents outside the window when they already had players that they could register. So there's an element of "employee rights" in there as well.

By my maths we've currently got 28 senior players (including Lyons-Foster), of which 19 are overseas. So if Sanchez and and Ndombele leave we're down to 26 with 17 overseas. And that includes Lloris, Whiteman, Austin and Lyons-Foster.

So if - IF - Sanchez and Ndombele both leave, the only way Dier doesn't get registered is if we choose to register Lyons-Foster instead.

It's probably all academic anyway. Just because we register Dier doesn't mean Ange has to play him....

 

[Rob]

I don't know that that can be true. But I think even it were, we'd probably register Alfie Whiteman at this stage before Eric Dier or Hugo Lloris.

Pretty sure we can register the kids, even if we don't need to.

 

[joey.leone]

Given the way the football gods work I'm fully expecting us to lineup a back 4 including Phillips, Dorrington and Davies when we play City in December lol.

I think this is a huge risk personally but time will tell.

 

[nicdic]

Yeah, I think we can register the U21s who technically don't have to be registered

 

[spursfan77]

The key part to all of this is that Ange has sanctioned both players leaving the club. If he’s happy with it, I am.

Im more than happy, let’s hope they both go through today before the CL deadline.

 

[McFlash]

Do we have any other prospects in the youth teams ?

I highly recommend the Youth Thread on this site. You'll get some great infor on our young prospects by a selection of good posters and regular youth watchers.
One of the best threads on the site.

Short answer - yes, some VERY good prospects in most age groups.

Edited with a linky poo... https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/spurs-youth-thread-23-24.153757

Edit. Thanks to the mod who fixed what I presume was my blundering attempt to insert a link!
I'm new here and still learning...

 

[spursyido1]

Looking at the fixtures, we have the same number of games (16) between now and 13th January, as we did between this time last year and 12th November.

I assume part of the reason they're willing to take a gamble is because we only have one competition with very few midweek games (2 in Dec)

 

[danny32]

Looking at the fixtures, we have the same number of games (16) between now and 13th January, as we did between this time last year and 12th November.

I assume part of the reason they're willing to take a gamble is because we only have one competition with very few midweek games (2 in Dec)

The main reason we are taking a gamble is that they are paying us 15m euro.

 

[cookiemonster]

Im more than happy, let’s hope they both go through today before the CL deadline.

Yeah

I am not counting any chickens until I see them holding kebabs in Istanbul

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

The risk of missing out on the CL and the potential for dropping points without Romero / VDV surely is far more important - and financially significant than any fee.

We threw away the luxury of recouping a fee when we refused to buy a CB with the proceeds of our best ever player.

That in itself was inexcusable.

To then immediately take a needless risk with our season like this is pure negligence from Levy.

Phillips and Dorrington are fantastic prospects. I've been excited about both for years.

But nobody knows how they will perform in front of big away crowds, especially after a bad mistake.

Forcing them to play through bad form because we have nobody else is absolutely not how you look after a young defenders' development.

Fans are getting carried away because we had a good start.

We've gone from IT MUST be Tapsoba + VDV or we riot....to oh maybe Davies can put in a shift if we're stuck.

Pure madness.

 

[Majick]

One thing to note about Phillips is that he was playing at Blackburn, a club who’ve not finished higher than 8th in the second tier since he was in primary school. So he may not have looked above that level for them, but alongside better players maybe he’s improving quickly?

It’s still a risk, but hopefully a calculated one.

 

[Russ1201]

We all know the money for Sanchez will be lost like the Kane money come January. So we better hope Phillps is up for the challenge if needed.
Yet again Levy knows zero about the footballing side. If he had any idea Sanchez will be leaving...... which i would guess he had why not buy hefore the deadline. One big reason why MONEY !