The Deadline Day ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September

[dovahkiin]

 

[jackson]

You could have said the same thing about VdV or Udogie - both showed - in almost no time at all - they were ready to handle the pressure. I trust both now, as though they are PL veterans.

I have no idea where Phillips is - but Ange has seen him train - the same way he saw VdV and Udogie train - and Ange will know where he is mentally and physically.

Agree, although they'd both more experience at top level than Phillips, I guess if it's Ange making the call then ok could well be fine, however it's not without a fair amount of risk.

 

[Dunc2610]

Who? Davies and Dier won’t be that as neither have the pace so it will be a gamble on Philips.

It won't be Dier, he won't be registered, I have no issue with Emerson being the backup.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

It won't be Dier, he won't be registered, I have no issue with Emerson being the backup.

again that is a role switch. Whatever we think of Sanchez he was the player that Ange used as the back up not Royal. It might work but to me this seems a gamble that only makes sense from a money point of view.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Who? Davies and Dier won’t be that as neither have the pace so it will be a gamble on Philips.

Davies can step up - short-term - for VdV. It's a step down, for sure - thats why Davies is the back-up. But, it would not be catastrophic.

On the right we have Emerson and Phillips who could fill in for a few games. Again, it would not be ideal - but not many teams in the PL can play back-up CBs seamlessly. See United this season, and even Arsenal last season.

Sanchez is not the long-term answer at either position - I'd rather use those minutes on Phillips, if necessary.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

It won't be Dier, he won't be registered, I have no issue with Emerson being the backup.

Dier will be registered now - if Tanguy and Sanchez both go - and Lloris is left off.

But, I agree, that Dier is the back-up to the emergency back-up right now.

 

[Japhet]

Clearing the decks whilst we can so we can make moves in Jan. Sanchez may be a better fit for us than Dier right now but he has never been good enough for us so if the opportunity is there to sell him we should take it, especially if it means getting shot of Ndombele as well.

Sanchez has been poor for us when we've sat deep and played on the counter. So far under Ange he's been much, much better where we actually try to play football further up the pitch. As everybody knows, his pace in this setup is a big positive. I'll be nervous about injuries or suspensions to Romero or VdV if he goes.

 

[yojambo]

I suppose you could argue if an injury meant Sanchez had to play a significant part of the season then the season would be ruined anyway. Probably better off in the long run giving Phillips the game time.

 

[Cel]

I think I'd rather see Dorrington or Philips come in and make mistakes, and learn from them and develop, than Sanchez make mistakes. Goes without saying we should have signed a CB tho.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Davies can step up - short-term - for VdV. It's a step down, for sure - thats why Davies is the back-up. But, it would not be catastrophic.

On the right we have Emerson and Phillips who could fill in for a few games. Again, it would not be ideal - but not many teams in the PL can play back-up CBs seamlessly. See United this season, and even Arsenal last season.

Sanchez is not the long-term answer at either position - I'd rather use those minutes on Phillips, if necessary.

for me it’s all on Philips’s. Davies looked very uncomfortable in the system in pre season where as Sanchez didn’t, for this system pace is a must, Sanchez looks far more suited to this system then Davies or Dier so it’s a clear downgrade.

That means Philips is the clear logical option if either Romero or VDV get injured and we will need the kid to make a big leap.

 

[Spursmatty87]

Up to Ange I guess seems very risky maybe Sanchez really wants out.

 

[Albertbarich]

This debate reminds me of last summer when a section of supporters shot down the idea that Lenglet was a cheap cop out and Conte really wanted him. Turns out he was a cheap cop out and a pretty shit one.

We might get lucky but this is full on putting money and relatively little of it before on pitch success which is the exact thing people get wound up about.

If the club were that confident in the kids we wouldn't have been trying for Tosin all summer , Ange wouldn't have spoken about getting two in and then on deadline day we wouldn't have been in for Kelly. And no it's not about clearing the decks because Sanchez only has a year left , unless we're to believe the club can't possibly suffer half a season of an extra centre backs wages come January.

 

[fecka]

Dier will be registered now - if Tanguy and Sanchez both go - and Lloris is left off.

But, I agree, that Dier is the back-up to the emergency back-up right now.

Maybe, but not necessarily. Dier's been effectively frozen out already. My assumption is that Davies becomes the backup at both CB and LB, and Sess might become the main LB backup when he's back.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Key in Ally’s comment there is that it has been sanctioned by Ange. It’s shows how short sighted the board were to not go all in for another CB, but in reality I’d rather we did this now and had a clear run in January, and if it means the likes of Phillips and Dorrington get some exposure, then yes it’s a massive risk, but also an opportunity. I felt this season was always going to be a massive transition, and I’m not fooled into thinking 3 wins out of 4 in the league has is as contenders. It is a young squad being shaped, a few bumps along the way will be character building, not derailing. I’d go further to say I wouldn’t mind Donley getting some minute also.

 

[coysjod]

Maybe, but not necessarily. Dier's been effectively frozen out already. My assumption is that Davies becomes the backup at both CB and LB, and Sess might become the main LB backup when he's back.

When is Sess back btw?

 

[shoggy33]

Sanchez has been poor for us when we've sat deep and played on the counter. So far under Ange he's been much, much better where we actually try to play football further up the pitch. As everybody knows, his pace in this setup is a big positive. I'll be nervous about injuries or suspensions to Romero or VdV if he goes.

He was pretty ropey under Poch as well IIRC. He's always had a good performance in him, but then a disastrous one was never far behind, much like Dier and Lloris. Obvious squeaky bum time until Jan with injuries but Ange has apparently signed off on this so he must be comfortable that he could cover things with Davies, Royal and the kids, and when have we ever had bad luck with injuries anyway?....

 

[fecka]

When is Sess back btw?

Don't remember but I believe I read he's not far off. Might be back after the break IIRC

 

[Yid-ol]

Ok to we end up at Arsenal with Philips playing and Hojbjerg being moved to play song side him at CB due to injuries/suspensions of Romero and VDV and take one huge beating due to a defence that can’t function. That may or may not happen but you massively increase the risk of an event like this by removing a CB who clearly fits this way of playing. It’s unnecessary risk for small profit, it makes no sense other than the club only thinking in money terms.

We might also have to play our U18s as the training ground opens up into a huge hole and all our players fall into it!

If a player is good enough, age doesn't matter. I agree I wouldn't sell Sanchez unless we can get someone more suited to play the system on a free, but that's very unlikely.

A lot of people didn't think Dier was ready to play when he first moved here, or Ali when he first played.... or even Kane!

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The other advantage to selling Sanchez now - if there is an opportunity to get a CB in January - we won't have to sell Sanchez then to make it happen.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

We might also have to play our U18s as the training ground opens up into a huge hole and all our players fall into it!

If a player is good enough, age doesn't matter. I agree I wouldn't sell Sanchez unless we can get someone more suited to play the system on a free, but that's very unlikely.

A lot of people didn't think Dier was ready to play when he first moved here, or Ali when he first played.... or even Kane!

Yea but the likes of Kane forced their way in the team, this is basically having to throw someone in ready or not. It might work or it might be a total cock up. Why take the risk.

If Philips forced himself ahead of Sanchez that is very different to be thrown in ready or not.