The case for Tim Sherwood

[NEVILLEB]

Spurs fans are currently concerned by the club’s direction, decision-making and lack of communication but Sherwood said: “It’s not all doom and gloom here.

“Andre’s left this club in a decent league position to be honest, and we’ve qualified for the next stage of the Europa League.

“I’ve managed to get us knocked out of the quarter-finals of the [Capital One] Cup and we’ve got the toughest draw ever in the FA Cup, away at Arsenal, but all I can do is what I can do and be honest with the boys and with you guys."


Sherwood taking responsibility for us losing a game. I already like him. Broad shoulders.

 

[idontgetit]

Give Tim Sherwood a chance. He did well to make the lacklustre Adebayor play hard, and generally the team was more progressive and seemed like they 'care'.

He's a Spurs man and knows the Spurs philosophy, but his inexperience may be the problem. But if we don't give him few games we will never know if he's a gem or not.

Also, a lot of it is down to the players. They need the desire to play, and be more positive and stop passing backwards and hope another player carry the team forward. I say this because, Bale mentioned,

"At Tottenham I was always trying to get onto the ball and make everything tick, whereas here everybody's doing that, there are world-class players all around the pitch and you're able to concentrate just on your game rather than bringing the whole team forward, and I'm enjoying that."

Source: http://www.itv.com/sport/football/a...r-gareth-bale-i-had-to-be-main-man-at-spurs/?
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As you can see from Bale's quote, a lot of it is down to the players around him. Even when Bale was playing for us, our team looked uninterested. They lack the drive to win games, unlike Bale, who steps forward and ACTUALLY wants to win games for Spurs.

It's a shame because they're all so talented and I think AVB was made a scapegoat because of our players none-existent effort. Don't get me wrong, I think AVB didn't have the man-management skill to raise the players game. But there aren't many managers who can.

We need a manager that can make all our players take the initiative and have that 'fight' in them to win games. Like Dawson and Holtby, but two isn't enough, and you see lesser teams with more desire to win games than us.

Perhaps it's a lack of confidence, or even over-confident (think they can easily take 3 points from any team but in reality, it never happens).

I don't mind who manages us, as long as they can make our Spurs team play. Play with more than 60% effort.

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I like your point about Bale always trying to win us games, when he was playing poorly people slated him but I always loved him because he looked like he was trying to make something happen and desperately wanted to win. Walker is actually very similar in that respect, always tries to drive us on and never hides even when off form

 

[jezz]

Sorry ive read his manifesto, which is discussed in here http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/tim-sherwoods-six-point-plan.104959/
Anyone saying this is rubbish, it looked exactly how we played against West Ham and this article was written before that game.
He blamed the previous manager for the loss at West ham, saying the players were tired at the end.
Hes saying Townsend is a first 11 player, sorry i dont agree, first team squad yes.
Sounds like to me he is going to take us backwards.
Time will tell of course.

 

[yankspurs]

So it was 1st Spurs game you've seen this season?

No, I've watched every single match. Sorry if I am a fan of football with a sense of control and not run and automatic turnover football.

 

[MikeCOYS]

"Give Tim Sherwood a chance. He did well to make the lacklustre Adebayor play hard"


More likely, Ade was trying to prove a point that he should've been playing under AVB...


"It's a shame because they're all so talented and I think AVB was made a scapegoat because of our players none-existent effort. Don't get me wrong, I think AVB didn't have the man-management skill to raise the players game. But there aren't many managers who can."


But you just said Sherwood did with Ade, so you want him to get the gig?

I mentioned earlier. Give him a chance. ATM all managers linked has dismissed to join us - despite them being flattered.

If Sherwood can turn Spurs season around, I can care less if he's foreign or someone with a 'name'.

Chances is a double-edge sword. Either success or fail, but in our current situation I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

We'll see. IMO I think he'll get few games in charge, and that's how long it'll take for him to either keep his role or lose his job as Spurs manager.

If he can play the Spurs way and also get the group of players to perform then I'm happy.

If the team played properly and progressively then I'm happy if we're beat fairly.

However, our losses and recent heavy hammerings are ones I cannot accept. If we were beat five nil and their goalkeeper and defence were lucky and near perfect on the day, then that loss is somewhat easier to take.

But a team that seems uninterested and doesn't seem to give a toss about losing is unacceptable.

I personally don't know what will Spur us on to get the players back in their game. But hey, that's the manager's job.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

I mentioned earlier. Give him a chance.

yep; I agree. A 43-0 win against So'ton tomorrow will do wonders for the mood around here.

 

[MikeCOYS]

Maybe if we have players who are uninterested and don't really seem bothered we might consider whether they should stay at the club, or if we would be better off getting different players in who are going to give a decent effort.

Having seen the interview with Tim Sherwood today and read the other interview in this thread, i'm warming a lot more toward him. I like his straight talking style and I imagine the players would respond well to this also. I think for the time TS needs to just focus on getting a win, whichever way he can. Personally at the moment I'm not worried about us playing attractive football, we just need to get the win, restore some confidence and build from there. We do have some very winnable games coming up, if we can win the majority of those, we will still be in the fight. We have a very strong squad overall which will come good...I think!

I completely agree. We've a strong squad, we're not in a bad position in the league too.

A win for Sherwood can instill a lot of confidence into the team, and also is what we need right now.

Slowly integrate Sherwood's philosophy into the Spurs team - which is the progressive Spurs style we're known for. That in which I'm excited to hear about.

Finger crossed he can bring the best out of Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen as I believe they're the ones that can save Spurs season. Also, the other new signings, but those 3 are a pedigree ahead of the rest. Well... before they joined us anyways..

I like your point about Bale always trying to win us games, when he was playing poorly people slated him but I always loved him because he looked like he was trying to make something happen and desperately wanted to win. Walker is actually very similar in that respect, always tries to drive us on and never hides even when off form

Ah yeah, Walker has improved SO much since his poor second season with us.

Every team needs that spirited player that lifts the team when they're uninspired. Unfortunately for us, it's Dawson and Walker. Both too far at the back to make a real difference.

Perhaps we're missing the likes of Parker where he brings the players together and is a commanding captain.

Dawson doesn't do it for me. He's not very convincing. His demands to the players doesn't seem acknowledge at all. Maybe the lack of a true leadership is one of our problems? I do like Walker with the arm band but his voice isn't very captain-like huh? xD

 

[FinnYid]

No, I've watched every single match. Sorry if I am a fan of football with a sense of control and not run and automatic turnover football.

Or a fan of getting spanked 6-0 or 5-0, exposing yourself openly to opponent defensively and playing on pedestrian tempo creating little to no chances par shooting outside the box?

Sorry, I take gung ho over that any day of the week.

 

[idontgetit]

Sorry ive read his manifesto, which is discussed in here http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/tim-sherwoods-six-point-plan.104959/
Anyone saying this is rubbish, it looked exactly how we played against West Ham and this article was written before that game.
He blamed the previous manager for the loss at West ham, saying the players were tired at the end.
Hes saying Townsend is a first 11 player, sorry i dont agree, first team squad yes.
Sounds like to me he is going to take us backwards.
Time will tell of course.

Lol Jezz I think this is the first time in a couple of months I'd have to disagree with you but like you said, time will tell. Well the teamsheet at 12.45 tomorrow will tell if we want to be precise

 

[jezz]

Lol Jezz I think this is the first time in a couple of months I'd have to disagree with you but like you said, time will tell. Well the teamsheet at 12.45 tomorrow will tell if we want to be precise

Nothing would please me to be wrong and i genuinely mean that.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I completely agree. We've a strong squad, we're not in a bad position in the league too.

A win for Sherwood can instill a lot of confidence into the team, and also is what we need right now.

Slowly integrate Sherwood's philosophy into the Spurs team - which is the progressive Spurs style we're known for. That in which I'm excited to hear about.

How do you (or anyone) know what Sherwood's philosophy is ? And what is the "progressive Spurs style we're known for" and when have you seen this ?

 

[eddiebailey]

Perhaps we're missing the likes of Parker where he brings the players together and is a commanding captain.

harry knew what he was doing when he brought in Parker and Gallas, and when to the horror of many he tried to bring in Phil Neville. You need leaders out there. Woodgate, King, van der Vaart too - all leaders. That is something we are lacking.

 

[mabizela]

Tim Sherwood the English Mourinho.

 

[pablo73]

Tim Sherwood the English Mourinho.

If that is in the sense that they are both complete ****s then yes, I think that's a fair comparison.

 

[Metalhead]

The way I see it,Levy wants someone who can integrate the youth meaning few in transfers and yet get CL so that he can sell some of those for high profits,then redo the entire process and eventually sell the club for a high price making sure he enjoys a luxurious retirement

I'm not bothered about him having a luxurious retirement but who would argue the principle of wanting to bring through kids rather than spend loads on players? I don't think that Levy is afraid to spend anyway. He didn't exactly hold back in the summer.

 

[SpursManChris]

594 replies. Has Spurs Community actually built a case for Tim Sherwood?

 

[jezz]

594 replies. Has Spurs Community actually built a case for Tim Sherwood?

House of cards, keeps getting blown over though.

 

[Metalhead]

594 replies. Has Spurs Community actually built a case for Tim Sherwood?

Those who don't like him will only be placated by good results not good talk. That's fair enough, that's the way it should be.

 

[Metalhead]

Funded by Bale sale,what I don't agree with is selling them for high profits then dismantling the team and expecting the manager to perform miracles within months.We have a net profit for the last 3 summer windows which proves the above cycle

That's fair enough but there's nothing wrong with trying to promote youth, surely that's what we all want. Provided that they are of the required quality.

 

[xtrac]

Sorry ive read his manifesto, which is discussed in here http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/tim-sherwoods-six-point-plan.104959/
Anyone saying this is rubbish, it looked exactly how we played against West Ham and this article was written before that game.
He blamed the previous manager for the loss at West ham, saying the players were tired at the end.
Hes saying Townsend is a first 11 player, sorry i dont agree, first team squad yes.
Sounds like to me he is going to take us backwards.
Time will tell of course.

Have to agree about the tired fitness side as i think thats been questionable for sometime.