Sugar Daddy...

[Led's Zeppelin]

In the 60's we were outspending other clubs and getting in the stars. Was that hollow?

Not quite the same but not far off.

It is far, far off in my opinion.

If Apple or the Dubai Tourist Board or Exxon or some stupid-rich individual with a tiny penis decides they need to buy some trophies in a hurry and and use our club to do it, that is a very different from building your wealth through being a consistently attractive, exciting football club that year after year gains more and more popular support, enabling it to invest its honest earnings in better players, a better stadium and developing a better club.

It still surprises me that so many people choose to ignore the difference.

 

[Lilbaz]

It is far, far off in my opinion.

If Apple or the Dubai Tourist Board or Exxon or some stupid-rich individual with a tiny penis decides they need to buy some trophies in a hurry and and use our club to do it, that is a very different from building your wealth through being a consistently attractive, exciting football club that year after year gains more and more popular support, enabling it to invest its honest earnings in better players, a better stadium and developing a better club.

It still surprises me that so many people choose to ignore the difference.

Didn't the Wale family invest in the team and club? Didn't this lead to overspending and in the end forced them to sell to scholar?

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Didn't the Wale family invest in the team and club? Didn't this lead to overspending and in the end forced them to sell to scholar?

Yes, probably, just as ENIC has invested in Spurs. It's what owners of most companies do. But there's a difference between an investment that's based on a business rationale (as per Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd.), even if it goes wrong, and the type of thing we've seen from Chelsea, Man City and PSG, where disproportionate and insupportable amounts of external cash are made available to a randomly-selected club, which is not an investment in any recognisable sense of the word.

Sport can only exist when there are constraints on it, and loving the rules is part of what makes the sport so addictive. No handball allowed, a maximum of 11 players in the pitch per side, and all the other rules that every sport needs to differentiate it from a street fight. You know perfectly well that the next mega-rich "investor" will do so to get the fame and glory that comes with a trophy, and not because he respects and loves the rules of the game and the beauty and excitement that genuine competition creates.

Reduce it all to nothing but a bank-balance competition and you might as well just ask Abramovic and a few sheiks to slap their cheque/books down on a card-table in Mayfair somewhere tomorrow night and cut out the troublesome matter of havingto pay some sweaty oiks to kick a ball around on the grass for the best part of a year before you can parade your trophy to your adoring subjects.

It ain't football I tells ya.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yes, probably, just as ENIC has invested in Spurs. It's what owners of most companies do. But there's a difference between an investment that's based on a business rationale (as per Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd.), even if it goes wrong, and the type of thing we've seen from Chelsea, Man City and PSG, where disproportionate and insupportable amounts of external cash are made available to a randomly-selected club, which is not an investment in any recognisable sense of the word.

Sport can only exist when there are constraints on it, and loving the rules is part of what makes the sport so addictive. No handball allowed, a maximum of 11 players in the pitch per side, and all the other rules that every sport needs to differentiate it from a street fight. You know perfectly well that the next mega-rich "investor" will do so to get the fame and glory that comes with a trophy, and not because he respects and loves the rules of the game and the beauty and excitement that genuine competition creates.

Reduce it all to nothing but a bank-balance competition and you might as well just ask Abramovic and a few sheiks to slap their cheque/books down on a card-table in Mayfair somewhere tomorrow night and cut out the troublesome matter of havingto pay some sweaty oiks to kick a ball around on the grass for the best part of a year before you can parade your trophy to your adoring subjects.

It ain't football I tells ya.

No argument from me. I would love it to be a level playing field for all clubs.

 

[bomberH]

80% against so far.

I think that's mental. I don't actually believe all those that voted no would be totally against it if it happened.

I think the vote is an idealist view. The romantic view. No one really wants to do it (including me!) but it could be the only way forward.

Ashley has just put Newcastle up for sale. If an oil tycoon buys them he could make them massive. Newcastle definitely have that potential. If Everton had bought right, they could be massive. If another 5 clubs are bought by free spending billionaires over the next 3 years, meaning they can all offer more wages than us, are we really saying we still wouldn't want to do it? Really?

Some of the comments on this thread... 'I'd rather play in the championship' or 'I'd rather go back to how we were in the mid 90's'.... just bonkers. Absolute bullshit as well

We've lost part of our soul already by knocking down WHL. Some even wanted to move to Stratford! We're building a bigger stadium for money. We're renaming it for money. It's the way football is, the sole reason we're doing these things is to compete more. Money money money. Who cares if we lose even more 'soul' via a massive investment if it means competing with the best? If every other club does it why should we be left behind?

When Chelsea started winning everything, I just thought it was hollow. How can they really be happy buying the title? But they started a trend and now it may well be that the only way you can sustain challenges year after year is paying the wages the wealthiest clubs do. It's not our fault. We wouldn't choose to do it that way. But if we want to keep our stars and win trophies then I'm more than happy to.

No-one answered the Joe Lewis question earlier in the thread. Would it make a difference if the sugar daddy was a Spurs fan? Are Chelsea more hated because of how Abramovic got his money? If I won 5 billion pounds on the lottery and decided to give it to Spurs, does that make a difference? I don't get it. You're all far too romantic for your own good, but if we haven't won anything in 5/10 years and lost our star players to all the top clubs, I wonder how you'd all feel then.

Mental

 

[Spurger King]

I voted 'yes'. Obviously I'd like us to win trophies without a cash injection, and I wouldn't enjoy it if we had some rich tyrant coming in paying twice as much as any of the current rich clubs, but it would be nice to be at a financial level where we were long-term competition for Chelsea and the Sheik Mansour team.

I get why so many would be against it, but the stars have aligned to give us a great manager, a world class striker, an amazing defence, and we could still conceivably have no trophies to show for it ten years from now.

 

[hellava_tough]

Back in September Hercules posted this:

Watch in the next 10-12 months
You will see the very clear player choice shift between chavs, gypsies and us. I believe the field will be very clear for us. And we certainly won't be outdone on wages.

Before anyone gives an optimistic, or negative ratings. There are concrete things I cannot reveal that will come out in the media by January I would guess. Put it this way; we are over-subscribed in interest and choices. Paying off the stadium will be academic as things stand right now. Lucrative investments pending?

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-to-players-than-chelsea.130169/#post-5599706


So who knows, perhaps it's not such a 'theoretical' discussion after all

 

[Lilbaz]

80% against so far.

I think that's mental. I don't actually believe all those that voted no would be totally against it if it happened.

I think the vote is an idealist view. The romantic view. No one really wants to do it (including me!) but it could be the only way forward.

Ashley has just put Newcastle up for sale. If an oil tycoon buys them he could make them massive. Newcastle definitely have that potential. If Everton had bought right, they could be massive. If another 5 clubs are bought by free spending billionaires over the next 3 years, meaning they can all offer more wages than us, are we really saying we still wouldn't want to do it? Really?

Some of the comments on this thread... 'I'd rather play in the championship' or 'I'd rather go back to how we were in the mid 90's'.... just bonkers. Absolute bullshit as well

We've lost part of our soul already by knocking down WHL. Some even wanted to move to Stratford! We're building a bigger stadium for money. We're renaming it for money. It's the way football is, the sole reason we're doing these things is to compete more. Money money money. Who cares if we lose even more 'soul' via a massive investment if it means competing with the best? If every other club does it why should we be left behind?

When Chelsea started winning everything, I just thought it was hollow. How can they really be happy buying the title? But they started a trend and now it may well be that the only way you can sustain challenges year after year is paying the wages the wealthiest clubs do. It's not our fault. We wouldn't choose to do it that way. But if we want to keep our stars and win trophies then I'm more than happy to.

No-one answered the Joe Lewis question earlier in the thread. Would it make a difference if the sugar daddy was a Spurs fan? Are Chelsea more hated because of how Abramovic got his money? If I won 5 billion pounds on the lottery and decided to give it to Spurs, does that make a difference? I don't get it. You're all far too romantic for your own good, but if we haven't won anything in 5/10 years and lost our star players to all the top clubs, I wonder how you'd all feel then.

Mental

If newcastle, everton and another 5 clubs were bought by billionaires they would not be able to spend more on wages in the next three years.

 

[Lilbaz]

I have no problem with a new owner that will come in and open the purse strings a little. Would like to see levy stay though.

 

[ralvy]

80% against so far.

I think that's mental. I don't actually believe all those that voted no would be totally against it if it happened.

I think the vote is an idealist view. The romantic view. No one really wants to do it (including me!) but it could be the only way forward.

Ashley has just put Newcastle up for sale. If an oil tycoon buys them he could make them massive. Newcastle definitely have that potential. If Everton had bought right, they could be massive. If another 5 clubs are bought by free spending billionaires over the next 3 years, meaning they can all offer more wages than us, are we really saying we still wouldn't want to do it? Really?

Some of the comments on this thread... 'I'd rather play in the championship' or 'I'd rather go back to how we were in the mid 90's'.... just bonkers. Absolute bullshit as well

We've lost part of our soul already by knocking down WHL. Some even wanted to move to Stratford! We're building a bigger stadium for money. We're renaming it for money. It's the way football is, the sole reason we're doing these things is to compete more. Money money money. Who cares if we lose even more 'soul' via a massive investment if it means competing with the best? If every other club does it why should we be left behind?

When Chelsea started winning everything, I just thought it was hollow. How can they really be happy buying the title? But they started a trend and now it may well be that the only way you can sustain challenges year after year is paying the wages the wealthiest clubs do. It's not our fault. We wouldn't choose to do it that way. But if we want to keep our stars and win trophies then I'm more than happy to.

No-one answered the Joe Lewis question earlier in the thread. Would it make a difference if the sugar daddy was a Spurs fan? Are Chelsea more hated because of how Abramovic got his money? If I won 5 billion pounds on the lottery and decided to give it to Spurs, does that make a difference? I don't get it. You're all far too romantic for your own good, but if we haven't won anything in 5/10 years and lost our star players to all the top clubs, I wonder how you'd all feel then.

Mental

I'll be honest with you, if that really becomes the only way forward, then I probably would lose any interest I have in football (or the EPL at the very least). There's nothing rewarding about winning trophies if you don't have to fight as hard as the others to get them.

Look, I'm Guatemalan, there's not one singe strain of British dna in my cells (as far as I'm aware)... I have never even traveled to GB. I started following the EPL about 15 years ago... if trophies was all I wanted, I would have chosen either manu or Arsenal as my team instead of Spurs. To me it has been super enjoyable and exciting to follow our slow, sometimes sloppy, and recently a bit steady progress into being recognizable as one of the best teams in the EPL (and maybe even Europe). I wouldn't change any of that for all the trophies in the world (even if it turns out we never get to win any other trophy in my lifetime). And I don't think there's anything mental about that, we simply have different ideas of what makes this sport appealing to us.

 

[bomberH]

I'll be honest with you, if that really becomes the only way forward, then I probably would lose any interest I have in football (or the EPL at the very least). There's nothing rewarding about winning trophies if you don't have to fight as hard as the others to get them.

Look, I'm Guatemalan, there's not one singe strain of British dna in my cells (as far as I'm aware)... I have never even traveled to GB. I started following the EPL about 15 years ago... if trophies was all I wanted, I would have chosen either manu or Arsenal as my team instead of Spurs. To me it has been super enjoyable and exciting to follow our slow, sometimes sloppy, and recently a bit steady progress into being recognizable as one of the best teams in the EPL (and maybe even Europe). I wouldn't change any of that for all the trophies in the world (even if it turns out we never get to win any other trophy in my lifetime). And I don't think there's anything mental about that, we simply have different ideas of what makes this sport appealing to us.

That's beautiful. But it's still romantic. I've done all that as many others have. I actually loved the 90's when we were shit and never ever won away, but I still went because it was an amazing day out with no expectations. I didn't care for trophies back then. It's different nowadays, I've watched us hardly win anything for 40 years and now I want to see us win things (without spending excessive money ideally but.....). Due to health issues, I might not have too many years left and I just want to see us win the league in my lifetime. It's not even cheating any more, it's just unfortunately necessary to keep your best players and fend off the vultures.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

The only argument I can think of that would persuade me is how we're already pretty close to the top as we are so the difference after sugar daddy money wouldn't be anything like the change from nobodies to champions that Man City got. Players like Lloris, Kane, Eriksen would still be here as our main group so the continuity would be there and would help. Then again it would only take 5-10 years to wear off and we'd just be another fake team so I'd go with no

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

I'll be honest with you, if that really becomes the only way forward, then I probably would lose any interest I have in football (or the EPL at the very least). There's nothing rewarding about winning trophies if you don't have to fight as hard as the others to get them.

Look, I'm Guatemalan, there's not one singe strain of British dna in my cells (as far as I'm aware)... I have never even traveled to GB. I started following the EPL about 15 years ago... if trophies was all I wanted, I would have chosen either manu or Arsenal as my team instead of Spurs. To me it has been super enjoyable and exciting to follow our slow, sometimes sloppy, and recently a bit steady progress into being recognizable as one of the best teams in the EPL (and maybe even Europe). I wouldn't change any of that for all the trophies in the world (even if it turns out we never get to win any other trophy in my lifetime). And I don't think there's anything mental about that, we simply have different ideas of what makes this sport appealing to us.

If you were a girl, ralvy, I'd want to buy you dinner in an expensive restaurant.

 

[ralvy]

If you were a girl, ralvy, I'd want to buy you dinner in an expensive restaurant.

Well, I'm a guy, but maybe you could instead buy me a new pair of tennis racquets? It wouldn't feel super weird, and I would appreciate it very much.

 

[ralvy]

That's beautiful. But it's still romantic. I've done all that as many others have. I actually loved the 90's when we were shit and never ever won away, but I still went because it was an amazing day out with no expectations. I didn't care for trophies back then. It's different nowadays, I've watched us hardly win anything for 40 years and now I want to see us win things (without spending excessive money ideally but.....). Due to health issues, I might not have too many years left and I just want to see us win the league in my lifetime. It's not even cheating any more, it's just unfortunately necessary to keep your best players and fend off the vultures.

Yeah, I guess I see were you're coming from, but I wouldn't lose faith if I was you. We can definitely win the league this year. I know Man Shitty are looking all powerful and impressive right now, but if we can finally find some form in Wembley, then chances are we're going to give them a real fight for the title.

 

[bomberH]

Yeah, I guess I see were you're coming from, but I wouldn't lose faith if I was you. We can definitely win the league this year. I know Man Shitty are looking all powerful and impressive right now, but if we can finally find some form in Wembley, then chances are we're going to give them a real fight for the title.

I genuinely believe we'd have won the league if we stayed at WHL this year. And I still think there's a chance anyway, but as I said earlier, my fear if we do win is trying to keep the team together. Walker wasn't even our MVP and he's doubled his wages and made our players well jel in the process! But I haven't lost faith just yet....

 

[scottishbairn]

I think wanting a sugar daddy when we are this close is mental.

 

[JimmyG2]

No, No, No No.
I only get one vote but still.

Build it as we are doing, don't buy it.
Where's the joy and satisfaction in that.
Never been so content as a Spurs fan in decades.
Home grown, young talent.
Team spirit,fan identity, one of our own, and all that schmaltz.
I love it, love it.
We might just win something
before a ready made team does anyway.
But I don't really care.

Patience and love people.
The love of trophies is the root of all evil
to coin a phrase.

 

[Trix]

That's beautiful. But it's still romantic. I've done all that as many others have. I actually loved the 90's when we were shit and never ever won away, but I still went because it was an amazing day out with no expectations. I didn't care for trophies back then. It's different nowadays, I've watched us hardly win anything for 40 years and now I want to see us win things (without spending excessive money ideally but.....). Due to health issues, I might not have too many years left and I just want to see us win the league in my lifetime. It's not even cheating any more, it's just unfortunately necessary to keep your best players and fend off the vultures.

Athletico have managed to stay competitive and win trophies in La liga despite being financially far behind Barca and Real. Obviously the two giants win more but it is possible. As I have said in a previous post, our squad is every bit as valuable as the big spenders and the overall club spirit is excellent even though they could earn more elsewhere. Money is a big draw for many players but it's not the only reason players stay at clubs. As long as they still believe in the project, we will still keep moving in the right direction.

I'm sure our overall wage bill will increase with the new stadium. Levy has said many times it is a necessity if we are to compete for this very reason.

 

[Colston]

If they keep Levy on as the CEO I will be all for it. If not they can fuck right off. Daniel deserves to see a real trophy in light of the fantastic job he's done here.