How would that team line up ?
if tim sherwood was given the permanent manager's job instead of hiring pochettino then would kane be as good as he is now or not? if the cream always rises to the top as you suggest then your answer surely must be yes, in which case poch has, by definition, had little part to play in where kane is now.
So your point is that it's wholly dependant on nuture? If we have a great coach who is capable of developing youth players ( not only technically but mentally as well) then that should be enough, shouldn't it. Except that it's not. There are players who are not good enough and some who are. There are some that may be ready now and some that may not be ready for a while. There are some that have the right mentality and some that don't.
The talent and the mental toughness comes from the player. Making them ready comes from the coaches.
I appreciate what you are saying but you also can't have it both ways.
Throw into the mix the pressure of making a winning first team and then tell me what you'd do differently to Poch
So your point is that it's wholly dependant on nuture? If we have a great coach who is capable of developing youth players ( not only technically but mentally as well) then that should be enough, shouldn't it. Except that it's not. There are players who are not good enough and some who are. There are some that may be ready now and some that may not be ready for a while. There are some that have the right mentality and some that don't.
The talent and the mental toughness comes from the player. Making them ready comes from the coaches.
I appreciate what you are saying but you also can't have it both ways.
Throw into the mix the pressure of making a winning first team and then tell me what you'd do differently to Poch
people say this but then at the same time will for example lay praise at poch's door for making kane who he is today, you can't have both.
if soldado and adebayor had performed as we'd hoped and kane was let go - probably to a championship side as his stock wasn't very high coming off the back of two less than stellar loans - then who knows how that would have effected him, it would've been a long road back and no one knows where he would be now.
Cream rises to the top is exactly why english football has produced so few footballers despite having great youth teams that have dominated world youth football
i dont even know where to start with, cream rises to the top and how wrong it is
Your point supports my comment. This discussion is about lost Tottenham youth players who they never took advantage of. You have names players who have already risen to the top. The fact that Poch could not integrate them into his system is irrelevant to this discussion. The point is nobody on here could point to youth players that we let go who then went on to make it at the top table. In a way it is good and disappointing in that we are not producing enough youth for us to use.
no, i'm saying it's a combination of multiple factors and for that reason i don't believe that the cream always rises to the top, sometimes it will, sometimes it won't. i can have it both ways because i'm not the one claiming an absolute here. i also see that you dodged the sherwood question, presumably because it backed you into a corner that you can't answer your way out of.
Reo is shit, as I always saidThe likes of Reo Griffiths, Nya Kirby, and Keanan Bennets all left to a lot of teeth gnashing that they left due to the club not giving youth a chance and then went and...still didn’t play. Even though a couple went to clubs renowned for playing youth like Lyon.
The problem I find with the opportunities argument is it’s available ad infinitum - It’s like an atheist being proven wrong because he can’t prove that there isn’t a god. The thing is the burden of proof is on the person saying the player is good. If that player never turns into anything I’d say that person was wrong - turning to ifs ands or maybes doesn’t sway my opinion personally.
Using the opportunity argument we can basically pick any player in the youth squad and claim that they would have been the next best thing and have a free opportunity to have a whinge whenever we like.
For a bit of fun I’d like to say Shiloh Tracy would be better than Trezeguet if Poch would only just give him a chance FFS.
We've had 3 Academy players start the first two games this season, all boys that we've had at the club since they were very young.