Spurs have most goals conceded due to errors

[$hoguN]

The 'phantom full-back fiasco'. When are they going to disappear next? Nobody knows

That is not strictly true, we know it is going to happen against West Brom.

 

[wishkah]

In a corresponding article,

"More error prone goals are conceded when Kyle Naugton is playing"

 

[$hoguN]

In a corresponding article,

"More error prone goals are conceded when Kyle Naugton is playing"

 

[Riandor]

The Naughton effect.

Oh whilst Naughton has contributed, he has hardly been solely at fault now has he... let's not forget to mention:
Vertonghen
Kaboul
Walker
Rose
Sandro
Chiriches
Dawson
Lloris

 

[mpickard2087]

I don't think it helps that we leave our players very isolated, particularly at the back. The fullbacks push on far too early as do the rest of the team... One example, watch someone like Bayern when they try and play out from the keeper, virtually all their outfield players come back into their half of the pitch so even if they have to kick it slightly longer there are still options to hit, particularly wide. In comparison our players are far too stretched at times and so if someone does get in trouble and lose it, there isn't someone in the vicinity to help him out.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Shit. almost double the next nearest.

We need new defenders.

 

[Chris12]

Mind the Gap

 

[Shadydan]

Remember in September when we had the best defence in Europe or something like that.

lol

 

[Reece]

Jesus fuck by a long way as well. Why are Chelsea benefiting from so many errors????

They are ruthless. We are not.

 

[paulcumpstone]

What's interesting about that is, unlike most teams, most of our errors lead to goals instead of shots that don't go in.

That I put down to bad luck but it's the players fault in the first place.

or it highlights how bad our errors have been.

 

[Yid]

Said it before, chopping and changing the back 4 all season will never lead to many clean sheets, and having a couple of injury prone defenders in Rose and Kaboul will never lead to a settled back 4.

The one good thing is though that I doubt the individual errors are down to a lack of ability, which means they can be cured by good coaching.

I agree with most of your points, except the highlighted parts.
I recall at least 4 or 5 errors by Naughton this year which led to goals.
Also several errors by Rose that led to goals. Furthermore, a couple of errors (each) by Kaboul, Dawson, Chiriches, and Vertonghen, all of which led to goals.
Not to mention many sloppy turnovers by some of our Mids (even Sandro & Capoue) and Forwards, a few of which have also resulted in goals against us.
Surprisingly Walker (the player whom I've thoroughly criticized last season for random stupid mistakes in our own defensive third), is one of the few select Spurs who hasn't made blatantly idiotic and glaring errors this season ((to the contrary, Kyle is much improved this year as a defender & an attacker as well).

Now, most of the aforementioned errors (IMHO of course) are not a result of injuries, nor are they due to instability of the back 4.
Granted, both Kaboom and Verts have been widely recognized as elite-level center-halves.
In case of Kaboul (who was arguably the top CB in the EPL a year and a half ago), injuries have been highly detrimental to his progress. It pains me to say it, but we all know he has ((probably)) permanently regressed due to recurring physical trauma.
As far as Jan is concerned, his attitude (for whatever reason) has been slightly volatile to say the least. Coupled with the injuries (and lack of certainty for the future), he has definitely suffered a ((hopefully temporary)) decline in form this year.

With all that in mind, Walker, Chiriches, and Verts are (again in IMHO) the only defenders who aren't expendable this Summer.
Vlad will get acclimated in the off-season, and with proper coaching (preferably by LVG) & motivation, so will Vertonghen.

Naughton's selling point is his versatility (as the old cliche goes "jack of all trades, but master of none"). He is a nice kid (who tries very hard), but he's simply not good enough as a starter for the EPL, I'm sorry to say. At a club that competes for CL qualification, he is a backup RB (at best). He is definitely not a backup LB, that's for sure. It's a travesty we were forced to utilise him as such.

Dawson (for all his wonderful leadership & loyalty to the Spurs) is past his prime (he doesn't have the pace, nor the agility for the big leagues).

I had huge expectations for Kaboul this season. However, (as mentioned above) Mother Nature & Father Time both take their toll. It's very unfortunate, but "c'est la vie, mes amis"!

Last, but not least, is Rose who (much like Naughton) works very hard and runs his arse off, but he is not a starting LB in my opinion. At least not at the top EPL level.

It's pretty clear our defensive issues this year were due to lack of depth at key positions.
It boggles my mind that we failed to acquire a quality LB in the Summer, and yet again in the Winter.
That needs to be addressed first and foremost.

I would get rid of Daws, Naughts, and Kaboul. Then I'd bring in a quality starting LB (Rose can be a serviceable backup).....a solid backup for Walker at RB.....And at least one good CB (perhaps someone like Umtiti, who can also slide in to LB if necessary).

So the hypothetical situation ((defenders only)) for us would be as follows:

Out: Kaboul -->> 7.5 million £
Out: Dawson -->> 6 million £
Out: Naughton -->> 3.5 million £
Out: Fryers (on loan)
-----------------------------------
Total proceeds -->> 17 million £

In: Ben Davies (LB) -->> 5 million £
In: Samuel Umtiti (CB/LB) -->> 7 million £
In: Serge Aurier (RB/CB) -->> 6 million £

Total Cost -->> 18 million £ ((1 million in expenditures))


COYS!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Oh whilst Naughton has contributed, he has hardly been solely at fault now has he... let's not forget to mention:
Vertonghen
Kaboul
Walker
Rose
Sandro
Chiriches
Dawson
Lloris

Bentaleb and Adebayor, too. Errors that changed the result in two matches. Naughton has actually not lost us any points by game changing errors.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Remember in September when we had the best defence in Europe or something like that.

lol

We did have the best defence. Even Vertonghen was happy back then, talking up his team mates, especially the defensive midfielders.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I agree with most of your points, except the highlighted parts.
I recall at least 4 or 5 errors by Naughton this year which led to goals.
Also several errors by Rose that led to goals. Furthermore, a couple of errors (each) by Kaboul, Dawson, Chiriches, and Vertonghen, all of which led to goals.
Not to mention many sloppy turnovers by some of our Mids (even Sandro & Capoue) and Forwards, a few of which have also resulted in goals against us.
Surprisingly Walker (the player whom I've thoroughly criticized last season for random stupid mistakes in our own defensive third), is one of the few select Spurs who hasn't made blatantly idiotic and glaring errors this season ((to the contrary, Kyle is much improved this year as a defender & an attacker as well).

Now, most of the aforementioned errors (IMHO of course) are not a result of injuries, nor are they due to instability of the back 4.
Granted, both Kaboom and Verts have been widely recognized as elite-level center-halves.
In case of Kaboul (who was arguably the top CB in the EPL a year and a half ago), injuries have been highly detrimental to his progress. It pains me to say it, but we all know he has ((probably)) permanently regressed due to recurring physical trauma.
As far as Jan is concerned, his attitude (for whatever reason) has been slightly volatile to say the least. Coupled with the injuries (and lack of certainty for the future), he has definitely suffered a ((hopefully temporary)) decline in form this year.

With all that in mind, Walker, Chiriches, and Verts are (again in IMHO) the only defenders who aren't expendable this Summer.
Vlad will get acclimated in the off-season, and with proper coaching (preferably by LVG) & motivation, so will Vertonghen.

Naughton's selling point is his versatility (as the old cliche goes "jack of all trades, but master of none"). He is a nice kid (who tries very hard), but he's simply not good enough as a starter for the EPL, I'm sorry to say. At a club that competes for CL qualification, he is a backup RB (at best). He is definitely not a backup LB, that's for sure. It's a travesty we were forced to utilise him as such.

Dawson (for all his wonderful leadership & loyalty to the Spurs) is past his prime (he doesn't have the pace, nor the agility for the big leagues).

I had huge expectations for Kaboul this season. However, (as mentioned above) Mother Nature & Father Time both take their toll. It's very unfortunate, but "c'est la vie, mes amis"!

Last, but not least, is Rose who (much like Naughton) works very hard and runs his arse off, but he is not a starting LB in my opinion. At least not at the top EPL level.

It's pretty clear our defensive issues this year were due to lack of depth at key positions.
It boggles my mind that we failed to acquire a quality LB in the Summer, and yet again in the Winter.
That needs to be addressed first and foremost.

I would get rid of Daws, Naughts, and Kaboul. Then I'd bring in a quality starting LB (Rose can be a serviceable backup).....a solid backup for Walker at RB.....And at least one good CB (perhaps someone like Umtiti, who can also slide in to LB if necessary).

So the hypothetical situation ((defenders only)) for us would be as follows:

Out: Kaboul -->> 7.5 million £
Out: Dawson -->> 6 million £
Out: Naughton -->> 3.5 million £
Out: Fryers (on loan)
-----------------------------------
Total proceeds -->> 17 million £

In: Ben Davies (LB) -->> 5 million £
In: Samuel Umtiti (CB/LB) -->> 7 million £
In: Serge Aurier (RB/CB) -->> 6 million £

Total Cost -->> 18 million £ ((1 million in expenditures))


COYS!

Sadly, you 100% need to plan on Vertonghen leaving. Thus, we are in dire need of CB's

 

[Yid]

Sadly, you 100% need to plan on Vertonghen leaving. Thus, we are in dire need of CB's

Perhaps it was wishful thinking on my part, but I'd really convinced myself that we may be able to keep him (provided LVG or someone of his stature takes over as manager).


I'd just really hate to lose Jan.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Perhaps it was wishful thinking on my part, but I'd really convinced myself that we may be able to keep him (provided LVG or someone of his stature takes over as manager).


I'd just really hate to lose Jan.

I'm with you. I like him, he is still a Spurs player and he has been vital for 1,5 seasons. I'd love to see him not only being Jan, but Super-Jan. However, he will leave this summer me suspects.

 

[yankspurs]

I wonder if it has ever occured to people that maybe Andre was so tight and strict with his philosophy this year becasue he was trying to sort out our horrendously poor defense? Or are we just going to say fuck that because ever giving him an iota of credit is apparently forbidden?

 

[michaelden]

What's interesting about that is, unlike most teams, most of our errors lead to goals instead of shots that don't go in.

That I put down to bad luck but it's the players fault in the first place.

I think our Asian betting partners need looking into

 

[markieboy]

Although some individual errors can also be a consequence of tactics,structure,team selection too, or even just the basic instructions given or training/coaching drills done through out the week.

How the hell are we going to teach our players that we actually play in the white shirts and when a ball comes into our box...............just fucking clear it.

 

[markieboy]

I think our Asian betting partners need looking into

I agree.............most of the goals we are giving away look rigged.
I am shocked that the bookies are not investigating our players on a regular basis.