Spurs fans pretend Asian fan in Son shirt is Son

[JerryGarcia]

Even if the guy in question doesn't think it is racist it doesn't mean that it's not.

For years people argued that the gollywog is not racist, just a cuddly toy for children that isn't doing any harm. It's banned in this country now but in many other countries it is not.

You say that the Adebayor song and chink is racist but there are plenty that would disagree.

Some people use coloured to describe black people in many instances the people saying it don't mean to be racist but it is a racist term.

Every case is different and must be judged on it's merits in all these examples there is a common theme, ignorance and that by and large is what racism is.

There doesn't have to be hate, intent or malace involved by the perps for it to be racist and harmful.

After reading that, implying or calling two joyous Spurs fans racists based on 7 seconds of video seems a bit over the top. Especially as we don't know if they had more interaction with guy in the Son shirt before the camera started rolling.

 

[dontcallme]

Would it be racist against white people if an English guy was approached the same way by Koreans after an English player scored for their team in the Korean league?

No, neither situation is even remotely racist.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

talking of being racist, Cameron's deflowered pig tells me that the participants (lifters and lifted) are actually illegal immigrants who just came in on a muslim fuelled submarine that killed 9 whales on the way from Syria

 

[Mullers]

Because he didn't look like Son?

So what? They could still pretend that person was Son. Instead they leave themselves open to accusations of racism because they behaved in a way they wouldn't normally behave by plucking an Asian person wearing a shirt with Son written on it and lifting him up into the air.

 

[hughy]

My cousin played football in Thailand for a year. He regularly got mobbed on the streets and asked for autographs... not because they recognised him, simply because he was white and English.


I don't see what the problem is.

 

[Mullers]

So how was this incident racist?

To me it was slightly racist but what is racist is subjective so many will disagree.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

So what? They could still pretend that person was Son. Instead they leave themselves open to accusations of racism because they behaved in a way they wouldn't normally behave by plucking an Asian person wearing a shirt with Son written on it and lifting him up into the air.

 

[Donki]

To me it was slightly racist but what is racist is subjective so many will disagree.

I get what your saying that people will have differing ideas of whats acceptable and whats racist, I just dont see it here. Like I said its slightly inappropriate to lift up a stranger on the street and parade him over your head but it was outside the stadium, more than likely at the game and a Spurs fan. Is it racist to think he looks likeSon? Cause he does have the same build and hair style.

 

[Dougal]

If a tree falls in the woods, and there's no one around to be offended by it, is it still racist?

 

[Mullers]

My cousin played football in Thailand for a year. He regularly got mobbed on the streets and asked for autographs... not because they recognised him, simply because he was white and English.


I don't see what the problem is.

There is a problem with that actually and here is why.

The notion that light skin is good and black skin is bad is embedded in Thai culture, and that doesn't seem to be changing.

—Yukti Mukdawijitra, Thammasat University anthropology professor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Thailand

The notion of light skin being good and black skin being bad is I think a world problem actually not just for Thailand.

 

[Nine while nine]

If a tree falls in the woods, and there's no one around to be offended by it, is it still racist?

If there are smaller trees around when it happens, then it sounds like bigotry to me...

 

[Tom Pops]

I think the people were well meaning but one wonders if they would pick up a random black supporter and pretend it's one of our black players. I don't think they would.

And that is double standards.

Why can't we just treat all races equally rather than saying "you can say a person of this race looks like this person - oh no but you can't do the same with this race".

 

[Mullers]

I get what your saying that people will have differing ideas of whats acceptable and whats racist, I just dont see it here. Like I said its slightly inappropriate to lift up a stranger on the street and parade him over your head but it was outside the stadium, more than likely at the game and a Spurs fan. Is it racist to think he looks likeSon? Cause he does have the same build and hair style.

Not necessarily but these guys leave themselves open to the accusation that they think all East Asians look the same to them by doing what they did.

If you're not someone of the same ethnic group and you don't know the person you have to be careful with banter. Don't for example just go up to an Irishman and address them as paddy some won't see it as a big deal and some will knock the persons teeth down their throat.

 

[Mullers]

And that is double standards.

Why can't we just treat all races equally rather than saying "you can say a person of this race looks like this person - oh no but you can't do the same with this race".

Are you accusing me or them of double standards?

 

[Tom Pops]

Are you accusing me or them of double standards?

I think the people were well meaning but one wonders if they would pick up a random black supporter and pretend it's one of our black players. I don't think they would.

That is an example of double standards in society - the fact that if this happened to a Caucasian person there would be no issue.

 

[Donki]

There is a problem with that actually and here is why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Thailand

The notion of light skin being good and black skin being bad is I think a world problem actually not just for Thailand.

When we were in Thailand we seen the "whitening moisturiser on sale everywhere", I found it quite sad.

 

[Mullers]

After reading that, implying or calling two joyous Spurs fans racists based on 7 seconds of video seems a bit over the top. Especially as we don't know if they had more interaction with guy in the Son shirt before the camera started rolling.

No one wants to be labled racist as it conjures up images of Nazi thugs and other shit. I think what they did was a bit racist, thus they are a bit racist. That doesn't mean however that their intentions were bad or they are bad people.

 

[Mullers]

That is an example of double standards in society - the fact that if this happened to a Caucasian person there would be no issue.

If a black or [insert other ethnic groups] did this to a white person it would be just as bad and just as ignorant.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Touch too much political correctness in this thread I think.

Edit having waded through some of the most ridiculous posts I have seen on here in a long time:
Some people will see racism in everything people do and scream "racist" no matter what it is. I don't know if it makes them feel that they are a better human being for saying it or what it is, but the simple answer is that not everything that happens in the world is a result of racism.

I thought it was pretty funny (ok, not "hilarious") because it occurred after a game in which Son had scored, a game we won, at home and everyone seemed to be in a pretty good mood.

If it was a random occurrence that happened on say Oxford Street on a Thursday afternoon to an Asian tourist, then it might not have been quite so funny. But to brand this incident as "Racist" is a total load of fucking bollocks, and I can't say it any more plainly that that. The guy being lifted was laughing and pumping his arms in the air, it certainly didn't look like he was offended, and he certainly didn't appear to think he was being accosted by a bunch of racists.

Racist my arse.

 

[Mullers]

Touch too much political correctness in this thread I think.

In what way specifically? It's all to easy for someone to just write off arguments as politcal correctness and not explain themselves.