Sin-bin trial plan recommended for professional games

[DogsOfWar]

If the aim is to actually deter/stop cynical fouls and dissent in order to make the game better why not just make them red cards?

This has always been my view.
The interpretation at the moment seems to be a 'clear goal scoring opportunity' is only when it's a one on one.
But a defender would not commit those kinds of fouls unless he believed he was preventing a 'clear goal scoring opportunity''.
Simply turn them into reds and it solves the problem.

 

[Yid-ol]

This has always been my view.
The interpretation at the moment seems to be a 'clear goal scoring opportunity' is only when it's a one on one.
But a defender would not commit those kinds of fouls unless he believed he was preventing a 'clear goal scoring opportunity''.
Simply turn them into reds and it solves the problem.

If there is no intent to play the ball and go for the man, that could be as simple as clip their heals ect to taking the man out with a slide tackle should all be reds, as you said, it would soon stop these technical fouls that have no intent to play the ball.

Law would simply be, if you look to play the man instead of the ball, it's seen as reckless and endangering players safety.


Just seen this on BBC website in an article about Ange saying he doesn't see why they are pushing for it

Players shown a blue card would have to leave the field for 10 minutes and players would be sent off if they received two blue cards, or a blue and a yellow card.

 

[worcestersauce]

Will they use VAR to check if a blue card should be awarded rather than a yellow or a red?
It's a bollocks idea yellow and red cards introduced nothing new into the game, players always got booked and sent off and all the cards did was made it clear and obvious with no misunderstanding, this idea is new and wrong.

 

[UncleBuck]

Have they said what would happen if a Keeper got a blue card? you couldn't have a player allowed to move position for 10 mins and begin 'Handballing' it. equally you couldnt play without a goal keeper surely? replacing the keeper with another for 10 mins would defeat the point.

Lol, great point sir, they haven’t even factored that in have they? Taking that into consideration it’s a total non starter surely?

 

[rebrab]

If there is no intent to play the ball and go for the man, that could be as simple as clip their heals ect to taking the man out with a slide tackle should all be reds, as you said, it would soon stop these technical fouls that have no intent to play the ball.

Law would simply be, if you look to play the man instead of the ball, it's seen as reckless and endangering players safety.


Just seen this on BBC website in an article about Ange saying he doesn't see why they are pushing for it

I think the “lightest” way to stop this (outside of improving the refereeing!) would be to do post-match suspensions for clear deliberate fouls in this circumstance or dives. It wouldn’t help on the day but it would stop teams doing it.

Certainly for dives I’d like to try introducing some post-match punishment without slowing down the game for VAR etc

 

[dontcallme]

I agree with Ange. For some reason recent rule changes seem to result in slowing the game down. Football is already seen as too slow among many. Even for many long term fans, VAR is making the game closer to unwatchable.

Football is full of cheating and dark arts, even at youth levels. The best change for football would be for refs to start regularly booking all levels of cheating.

 

[UncleBuck]

So as opposed to reinventing the wheel why don’t they just class all yellow cards as a sin bin for ten minutes?

 

[qqq1]

Totally unnecessary, referees just need to use yellow cards properly and consistently.

 

[Ray Ray]

Totally unnecessary, referees just need to use yellow cards properly and consistently.

Like at the start of this year there was a big push on refs to yellow card players for dissent or crowding round them.

That has dropped off as quickly as it came - the refs have absolutely no consistency, and bringing in a new law, will just make there even less consistency as it'll be one thing a certain game, and not it another.

Just referee the laws that are there now, book players for dissent, diving, time wasting etc and it'll soon stop anyway.

 

[millhouse]

So if a player gets two blue cards, do they get a purple card and sit with the opposition fans?

Marooned with the opposition fans

 

[qqq1]

Like at the start of this year there was a big push on refs to yellow card players for dissent or crowding round them.

That has dropped off as quickly as it came - the refs have absolutely no consistency, and bringing in a new law, will just make there even less consistency as it'll be one thing a certain game, and not it another.

Just referee the laws that are there now, book players for dissent, diving, time wasting etc and it'll soon stop anyway.

Bissouma got a second yellow for diving. It was a dive and should've been a booking but pretty much every other dive goes unpunished. Blue cards will be just as inconsistent and it'll be incredibly frustrating because of the sin bin.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

I think the “lightest” way to stop this (outside of improving the refereeing!) would be to do post-match suspensions for clear deliberate fouls in this circumstance or dives. It wouldn’t help on the day but it would stop teams doing it.

Certainly for dives I’d like to try introducing some post-match punishment without slowing down the game for VAR etc

If they introduced retrospective punishment for diving and feigning injury, those forms of cheating would stop fairly quickly.

 

[Yid-ol]

I think the “lightest” way to stop this (outside of improving the refereeing!) would be to do post-match suspensions for clear deliberate fouls in this circumstance or dives. It wouldn’t help on the day but it would stop teams doing it.

Certainly for dives I’d like to try introducing some post-match punishment without slowing down the game for VAR etc

Only issue I see with that is if var doesn't look at the dive in real time, a team could get a penalty, score, win the game and then the player is banned for a game after it's finished.

Stuff like that needs to be checked in game as if a player should be booked/sent off then it has to happen in the game to make it fair for the team they are playing.

 

[qqq1]

What happens if someone gets blue carded when there's less than 10 minutes to play?

 

[Johnny J]

They don't need blue cards, they just need to use the fucking yellow ones they already have.

If a player gives dissent, book him. If a player commits a tactical foul, book him.

It really is that simple.

 

[jurgen]

Need to stop taking inspiration from boring sports like rugby. It will also open a huge can of worms as no way will it be applied consistently (like every other law of the game it seems).

If we have to have blue cards at least be innovative with it. I propose the carded players has to run around backwards the whole time, or perhaps play wearing the mascot outfit for 10 mins. Then I’d be fully on board. Imagine the scenes of Johnson dressed as Chirpy arriving at the back post in the 95th minute.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Glad I'm not a referee... ... they are not making it easier for them. How about getting things like VAR to work properly before adding more gimmicks to the game.

It's like they can't get enough. At some point it's just overload. For me it's now. No more please...

 

[rebrab]

Only issue I see with that is if var doesn't look at the dive in real time, a team could get a penalty, score, win the game and then the player is banned for a game after it's finished.

Stuff like that needs to be checked in game as if a player should be booked/sent off then it has to happen in the game to make it fair for the team they are playing.

I wasn’t overly clear but I meant keeping VAR in place, but having the ability to ban afterwards for obvious cheating in situations VAR isn’t allowed to look at

 

[Bobbins]

Unpopular opinion but I'm massively in favour of it. I'm so fed up of watching games and thinking "that needs to be more than just a yellow card". A sin bin would work brilliantly in football as it's such a dynamic game, and would be an appropriate punishment for those tactical fouls which are used, particularly by the likes of City, to stop opposition momentum and chances before they get going, but which don't meet the threshold for a red card.

I hope people just let the trial happen and let's see where it goes - I see lots of Proper Football Men have come out and declared that it will destroy the game and the game's gone etc - but something does need to be done about this type of behaviour and I don't see anyone else coming up with any good ideas as an alternative.

 

[Yid-ol]

Have they said what would happen if a Keeper got a blue card? you couldn't have a player allowed to move position for 10 mins and begin 'Handballing' it. equally you couldnt play without a goal keeper surely? replacing the keeper with another for 10 mins would defeat the point.

Goalkeepers will NOT be exempt from blue card sin-bins, per The Telegraph

If a goalkeeper receives a blue card, it will force teams to choose between putting an outfield player in goal for 10 minutes or making a permanent substitution.

My query now is, can you sub someone who is on a blue card? Save a sub or two and then it's a loophole to foul in last 10 mins but stay at 11 men!