Should Levy go for his part in the Super League... with a heavy heart I say yes.

[JCRD]

In any board you see specific roles in a football structure id expect to see a DoF and the chairman would take a back seat and be the challenge to the DoF. So I dont mind if Levy has a say in matters and challenge transfers etc but not become the decision maker.

The trust mentions fan representation. Whilst I think there should be representation in practice I don't know how that would work. How, in the present structure would someone go up against Levy in a discussion? How qualified should representation be? how would they be elected? how do we know they havent been paid off? You got someone say on 50k a year sitting on the Board representing fans but Levy gives him 100k - fraud? perhaps but could easily happen.

 

[allatsea]

In any board you see specific roles in a football structure id expect to see a DoF and the chairman would take a back seat and be the challenge to the DoF. So I dont mind if Levy has a say in matters and challenge transfers etc but not become the decision maker.

The trust mentions fan representation. Whilst I think there should be representation in practice I don't know how that would work. How, in the present structure would someone go up against Levy in a discussion? How qualified should representation be? how would they be elected? how do we know they havent been paid off? You got someone say on 50k a year sitting on the Board representing fans but Levy gives him 100k - fraud? perhaps but could easily happen.

Why would such a person have to be paid anything other than travelling expenses to sit on the Board as the fans representative ?

 

[Locotoro]

Why would such a person have to be paid anything other than travelling expenses to sit on the Board as the fans representative ?

I think they should be a club employee but elected by the THST. They should also have the power to remove him/her. They should have some form of vote, although I'm unsure if that will hold any water.

My question would be whether they would be privy to commercially sensitive information and pass that back to fans - whether that is a wise thing.

 

[Japhet]

Media keep claiming it's a billion pounds of debt but I think the club paid some of iy before the stadium was built as it took years to get the project off the ground.

What, you mean the meeja exaggerate things or frame them in a particular way to support particular agendas? Surely not!

 

[BujuBanton]

Let’s not forget. When ENIC bought the club we had an old Stadium, old training facilities and our league finishes over the previous 5 years were: 12th, 10th, 11th, 14th & 10th.

The new stadium debt was refinanced at he most opportune time imaginable so the club has an ultra cheap 30 year mortgage on a magnificent stadium.

We’ve had great performances on the pitch of the past 6 years, accomplished without financial doping. Without this we wouldn’t even have been invited to the ESL. We’d be just like Everton or Newcastle - a “big club” living off its reputation. It’s under ENIC’s ownership that this club had flourished back into a real force in English football.

THST can’t afford to buy the club so saying ENIC/Levy out when you have no influence on what kind of person might buy it off them is pretty reckless.

To summarise: What have ENIC & Levy ever done for THFC? APART FROM:

• Taken consistent mid-table team to 11x Top-6 PL finishes in a row
• Taken team rarely in Europe to 14th in UEFA Club Rankings & a CL final
• Built new stadium, stayed in Tottenham, got amazingly cheap mortgage so the debt interest doesn't cripple the club
• Completely redeveloped training ground.

I leave you with Monty Python:

Being 6th and having the cheapest mortgage doesnt win a trophy.

How the fk do people on here still back the man?

let me post some points to counter the ‘6th and cheap mortgage’ positives:

- has constantly missed transfer targets because he wasnt willing to pay the required price (sane, grealish, aguero, fernandes, to name but a few)
- he would have moved us to stratford at the drop of a hat
- charges us some of the highest ticket prices in europe
- allowed our best team in over 20 years to stagnate, not spending any money during 2 consequtive windows
- sacked jol at halftime
- replaced berbatov with frasier campbell
- wanted to furlough staff
- sanctioned the signing of sissoko for actual money ffs
- interfered throughout the stadium build, taking management away from experts, giving sub contracts to ‘friends’, causing the build to overrun and cost almost double the original estimate.

If you wanted me to rate him as a chairman id struggle to.
If you wanted me to rate him as an employee of ENIC and their investment, he’s get a 10.

Hes going to walk away from tottenham a very very very rich man.

we’ll be stuck with the debt

fking rant over.

 

[DannyNZ]

Being 6th and having the cheapest mortgage doesnt win a trophy.

How the fk do people on here still back the man?

let me post some points to counter the ‘6th and cheap mortgage’ positives:

- has constantly missed transfer targets because he wasnt willing to pay the required price (sane, grealish, aguero, fernandes, to name but a few)
- he would have moved us to stratford at the drop of a hat
- charges us some of the highest ticket prices in europe
- allowed our best team in over 20 years to stagnate, not spending any money during 2 consequtive windows
- sacked jol at halftime
- replaced berbatov with frasier campbell
- wanted to furlough staff
- sanctioned the signing of sissoko for actual money ffs
- interfered throughout the stadium build, taking management away from experts, giving sub contracts to ‘friends’, causing the build to overrun and cost almost double the original estimate.

If you wanted me to rate him as a chairman id struggle to.
If you wanted me to rate him as an employee of ENIC and their investment, he’s get a 10.

Hes going to walk away from tottenham a very very very rich man.

we’ll be stuck with the debt

fking rant over.

You missed backing Redknapp with Saha and Nelson when we were looking decent

I can’t back this one up with facts but investing more in compensation to get rid of managers he’s either fallen out of love with or should never have employed than net spend on the squad, probably exaggerating but there is a point there somewhere.

 

[double0]

I love Tottenham. I want us to be the best in my ageing life time. Win major silverware and be in contention.

Before ENIC this club was a mess. Levy came in with a clear plan and we've steadily improved on the the pitch. The next stage of the journey saw us totally upgrade our facilities off the pitch we now have one of the best set ups across the world, on this front ENIC Levy have done brilliantly.

The next phase for our club to truly elevate imo is greater investment / scouting on the playing field. I say this cautiously as its been pointed out we're 3rd in Net spend during the tenancy of the Ex Mourinho. Still I am not totally convinced we have done enough in getting better quality players to improve our starting 11 or potential upcoming talents also have shown a lack of urgency in moving players on allowing the squad to fall backwards.

ENIC although have improved the club it feels they ain't willing to engage with the fans as shown in the recent superleague or totally back the mangers they've appointed (for me the prime example was Poch) regenerate the squad in timely fashion as seen in pervious stagnated transfer markets.

The growing consensus is for a takeover or a complete overhaul to the management structure however we've been down that road many times before.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I love Tottenham. I want us to be the best in my ageing life time. Win major silverware and be in contention.

Before ENIC this club was a mess. Levy came in with a clear plan and we've steadily improved on the the pitch. The next stage of the journey saw us totally upgrade our facilities off the pitch we now have one of the best set ups across the world, on this front ENIC Levy have done brilliantly.

The next phase for our club to truly elevate imo is greater investment / scouting on the playing field. I say this cautiously as its been pointed out we're 3rd in Net spend during the tenancy of the Ex Mourinho. Still I am not totally convinced we have done enough in getting better quality players to improve our starting 11 or potential upcoming talents also have shown a lack of urgency in moving players on allowing the squad to fall backwards.

ENIC although have improved the club it feels they ain't willing to engage with the fans as shown in the recent superleague or totally back the mangers they've appointed (for me the prime example was Poch) regenerate the squad in timely fashion as seen in pervious stagnated transfer markets.

The growing consensus is for a takeover or a complete overhaul to the management structure however we've been down that road many times before.

“Before ENIC this club was a mess.” The 1990’s were terrible but we had some great league positions in the 1980’s with some wonderful players. Alan Sugar’s stupidity should not still be giving ENIC a free pass. The club was sleeping for a decade but it was still big with a huge fan base.

I’m thrilled with the stadium and the training facilities but you have to be willfully delusional not to notice how Levy has f**led up the football decisions yet again.

 

[Saoirse]

- allowed our best team in over 20 years to stagnate, not spending any money during 2 consequtive windows
- sanctioned the signing of sissoko for actual money ffs

I think this sums up for me why it's not reasonable to pin everything on him. When he backs his manager's desire not to spend money on second-choice targets, he gets the blame. When he does spend money on someone I assume was a second-choice target, he gets the blame. We can't have it both ways. We weren't going to be able to get amazing first-choice players in 2018 considering the stadium situation (we had no idea how much it could end up costing, how long we'd have to fork out for Wembley, etc). It would have been more Sissoko-type squad players e.g. Tielemans, which a) Poch didn't want (wrongly IMO) and b) would probably have been panned in the same way Sissoko has.

 

[Shadydan]

“Before ENIC this club was a mess.” The 1990’s were terrible but we had some great league positions in the 1980’s with some wonderful players. Alan Sugar’s stupidity should not still be giving ENIC a free pass. The club was sleeping for a decade but it was still big with a huge fan base.

I’m thrilled with the stadium and the training facilities but you have to be willfully delusion not to notice how Levy has f**led up the football decisions yet again.

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[Saoirse]

“Before ENIC this club was a mess.” The 1990’s were terrible but we had some great league positions in the 1980’s with some wonderful players. Alan Sugar’s stupidity should not still be giving ENIC a free pass. The club was sleeping for a decade but it was still big with a huge fan base.

I’m thrilled with the stadium and the training facilities but you have to be willfully delusion not to notice how Levy has f**led up the football decisions yet again.

It wasn't just Sugar, Irving Scholar was a disaster too. The fact we used to be very good at one stage offered no guarantee. I think the most likely outcome before ENIC came in was that we'd become another Villa or Everton who have very similar historic success to us - sometimes in Europe, sometimes fighting relegation or even going down for a year, mostly in-between in the mid-table spots. If we'd continued to be badly run we could easily have been a Leeds or a Forest enjoying the Championship rather than the Champions League. Could things have been even better? Of course they could. But I'm absolutely certain that if you go back to 2001 and install a random owner instead, 90% of the time you get a worse outcome. That doesn't necessarily mean they're right for the future - I'd be down for someone replacing Levy on the footballing side of things to be honest - but I think those kind of situations are wrongly viewed as having been worst-case scenarios rather than exactly what we were on trajectory for.

 

[ohtottenham!]

This thread’s got messy, and plenty of good input here but a lot of it can be put in the Levy/Enic threads.

The question in the title of this thread is clear and specific. It’s about the club’s chairman’s role in the ESL disgrace, and whether it warrants resignation. Imo, it absolutely does. All of the club chairmen should resign.

We all know the direction the game has been going re money; I don’t read too much naivete from anyone on that front. This ESL stuff was something else; a betrayal of all football fans and a betrayal of the sport and sport at large. That’s why it was done in secret, which is the worst thing and why it calls for resignations.

It ain’t about being a Spurs fan in particular because that just clouds judgment re this issue. So, yes, our chairman needs to resign for his role in this ESL disgrace along with all other chairmen.

 

[Saoirse]

This thread’s got messy, and plenty of good input here but a lot of it can be put in the Levy/Enic threads.

The question in the title of this thread is clear and specific. It’s about the club’s chairman’s role in the ESL disgrace, and whether it warrants resignation. Imo, it absolutely does. All of the club chairmen should resign.

We all know the direction the game has been going re money; I don’t read too much naivete from anyone on that front. This ESL stuff was something else; a betrayal of all football fans and a betrayal of the sport and sport at large. That’s why it was done in secret, which is the worst thing and why it calls for resignations.

It ain’t about being a Spurs fan in particular because that just clouds judgment re this issue. So, yes, our chairman needs to resign for his role in this ESL disgrace along with all other chairmen.

I just don't see the point of pushing him out for his role in the ESL, in favour of a replacement who'd almost certainly also have been in favour of the ESL. We need structural change to fix that.

 

[ohtottenham!]

I just don't see the point of pushing him out for his role in the ESL, in favour of a replacement who'd almost certainly also have been in favour of the ESL. We need structural change to fix that.

First, you make a statement about what's unacceptable.

 

[Albertbarich]

Plenty to knock levy about.

Lack of trophies, poor managerial appointments, expensive ticket prices.

But can't blame him for the ESL. If Madrid barca, man utd and Liverpool come to you saying they're forming a super league it would be utterly stupid to say no. Imagine it went ahead , we said no , those clubs get their billion quid each and move on, were having out biggest game of the season against West ham.

Not one club in the world would have said no. They're all just pissed they didn't get invited.

Saying that if I could id absolutely remove him from footballing operations. Its not going to happen though.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Plenty to knock levy about.

Lack of trophies, poor managerial appointments, expensive ticket prices.

But can't blame him for the ESL. If Madrid barca, man utd and Liverpool come to you saying they're forming a super league it would be utterly stupid to say no. Imagine it went ahead , we said no , those clubs get their billion quid each and move on, were having out biggest game of the season against West ham.

Not one club in the world would have said no. They're all just pissed they didn't get invited.

Saying that if I could id absolutely remove him from footballing operations. Its not going to happen though.

I have no problem as a Spurs fan or a football fan with Levy negotiating with other clubs re the ESL. It ain't bad at that stage. It's how that whole cabal completely did this in secret without any consultation with fans before springing the whole final version upon us. This ain't about being a Spurs fan but because I am, Levy, as our chairman, has to go.

 

[adamsky]

Not going to read the whole thread so this has been probably been said, but the very fact we were one of the six clubs is testament to Levy’s work. If this had happened 10 years ago we would not have been invited and it would most likely have been either Aston Villa or Newcastle before us. In hindsight it looks like he should have refused but he couldn’t allow us to be left behind when offered a seat at the table. Had things worked out differently we would have been angry that we weren’t involved.

Levy is not perfect, nowhere near, but we could also do a lot worse.

 

[NEVILLEB]

It wasn't just Sugar, Irving Scholar was a disaster too. The fact we used to be very good at one stage offered no guarantee. I think the most likely outcome before ENIC came in was that we'd become another Villa or Everton who have very similar historic success to us - sometimes in Europe, sometimes fighting relegation or even going down for a year, mostly in-between in the mid-table spots. If we'd continued to be badly run we could easily have been a Leeds or a Forest enjoying the Championship rather than the Champions League. Could things have been even better? Of course they could. But I'm absolutely certain that if you go back to 2001 and install a random owner instead, 90% of the time you get a worse outcome. That doesn't necessarily mean they're right for the future - I'd be down for someone replacing Levy on the footballing side of things to be honest - but I think those kind of situations are wrongly viewed as having been worst-case scenarios rather than exactly what we were on trajectory for.

We need Levy to look in the mirror and consider what mistakes he has made. The problem is that he’s making the same mistakes he was making 10 years ago.

 

[shelfboy68]

Not going to read the whole thread so this has been probably been said, but the very fact we were one of the six clubs is testament to Levy’s work. If this had happened 10 years ago we would not have been invited and it would most likely have been either Aston Villa or Newcastle before us. In hindsight it looks like he should have refused but he couldn’t allow us to be left behind when offered a seat at the table. Had things worked out differently we would have been angry that we weren’t involved.

Levy is not perfect, nowhere near, but we could also do a lot worse.

But we could also do better.

 

[pffft]

Not one club in the world would have said no. They're all just pissed they didn't get invited.

Well that's not correct. Several teams DID say no, for whatever reasons.
Off the top of my head ... Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, Porto. I think there were a couple more as well.