SC Player of the Year 07/08 MEET THE PLAYERS!

[Michey]

why are you always the troll that has to make a comment after i post regarding black players?

What? :think:

You must have me confused with someone else. I've never taken part in any racial comments and never will.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Bump. In the hope that someone, somewhere will actually want to take part in this.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

And the 'SC Lifetime acheivement award for services to THFC' goes to Mr Ledley King of N17.

 

[guiltyparty]

Woodgate for me, don't see why it matters that he hasn't played as many games as some. Our season changed when we signed him, end of.

Bent got man of the match on saturday despite only playing last 20 minutes. Same applies. Marks for quality.

 

[Berbati]

Keane is going to win it. OK but Berbatov's contribution seems to be vastly underestimated.

Premiership: Keane has scored 14, Berbatov 13. Keane scored 2 from penalties, Berbatov 1. Keane missed 2 penalties, Berbatov 0. Not to mention Keane missed the penalty against Arsenal away which was won by Berbatov and which could bring the first win against Arsenal in the Premiership after many many years. Besides, Berbatov has more assists than Keane (11 to 6 in the league).

OK, I can already hear that Keane works his socks off, that he is passionate etc. The truth is Berbatov has been much more important as he wins more balls in the air for a half of a single game than Keane does it for a whole season, brings into game the other players much better than Keane and makes even Keane himself looking a better player.

Why have Spurs scored more league goals than Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea and only 1 less than Man U.? If you don't know the answer I can tell you why Just compare the season before Berbatov came here when Spurs were with Carrick and the seasons after that and you'll find the possible reason. Scoring so many goals with that futile midfiled speaks volumes. :wink:

Berbatov doesn't get the credit for making Spurs such a good side attacking wise. Don't please try to debate this as the miserable 14 % Berbatov gets for your Player of the Season are eloquent enough.

Carling Cup

Did Keane contribute more in that competition than Berbatov? NO, he didn't. He didn;t play agains Man City away when Berbatov was MOM and some Man City fans described his individual performance as the best against their team ever.

In the first leg against Arsenal Berbatov was MOM again. World class performance creativity wise. In the second leg he wasn't that brilliant but was involved in (almost) all goals.

The final? Well, I think Berbatov helped to win the Cup no less than Keane did it.

UEFA Cup: Berbatov - head and shoulders above the rest.

FA Cup: Berbatov scored 2 against Reading (after that game even BOF wrote that Berbatov deserves to play for a better team), Keane scored against Reading and Man U away. That's the only tournament in which Keane (probably) contributed more than Berbatov.

Before Berbatov started to play well Spurs were at the bottom of the league and their preformances in the cups weren't very promising. After Berbatov has began to play well, Spurs have been a different team, even when Keane was absent or poor (Spurs won three games in row without Keane - Man City at home, Pompy away and Man City away - in all of them Berba was MOM or one of the best). Berbatov has been the man (among all players) who has made the biggest difference that season. Nevertheless, he gets the miserable 14 %. Cheers.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

:lol:

I'm sure he'll win it next year when he makes your dream move.

Contrast with last year:

Berbatov 500 votes or almost 62%
Dawson 189 votes or 23%
Keane 30 votes or a shade over 3%
Chimbonda 27 votes or 3%
YP Lee 19 votes or 2%

Everyone nominated got a vote.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Keane is going to win it. OK but Berbatov's contribution seems to be vastly underestimated.

Premiership: Keane has scored 14, Berbatov 13. Keane scored 2 from penalties, Berbatov 1. Keane missed 2 penalties, Berbatov 0. Not to mention Keane missed the penalty against Arsenal away which was won by Berbatov and which could bring the first win against Arsenal in the Premiership after many many years. Besides, Berbatov has more assists than Keane.

OK, I can already hear that Keane works his socks off, that he is passionate etc. The truth is Berbatov has been much more important as he wins more balls in the air for a half of a single game than Keane does it for the whole season, brings into game the other players much better than Keane and makes even Keane himself looking a better player.

Why have Spurs scored more league goals than Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea and only 1 less than Man U.? If you don't know the answer I can tell you why Just compare the season before Berbatov came here when Spurs were with Carrick and the seasons after that and you'll find the possible reason. Scoring so many goals with that futile midfiled speaks volumes. :wink:

Berbatov doesn't get the credit for making Spurs such a good side attacking wise. Don't please try to debate this as the miserable 14 % Berbatov gets for your Player of the Season are eloquent enough.

Carling Cup

Did Keane contribute more in that competition than Berbatov? NO, he didn't. He didn;t play agains Man City away when Berbatov was MOM and some Man City fans described his individual performance as the best against their team ever.

In the first leg against Arsenal Berbatov was MOM again. World class performance creativity wise. In the second leg he wasn't that brilliant but was involved in (almost) all goals.

The final? Well, I think Berbatov helped to win the Cup no less than Keane did it.

UEFA Cup: Berbatov - head and shoulders above the rest.

FA Cup: Berbatov scored 2 against Reading, Keane scored against Reading and Man U away. That's the only tournament in which Keane (probably) contributed more than Berbatov.

Before Berbatov started to play well Spurs were at the bottom of the league and their preformances in the cups weren't very promising. After Berbatov has began to play well, Spurs have been a different team, even when Keane was absent or poor (Spurs won three games in row without Keane - Man City at home, Pompy away and Man City away - in all of them Berba was MOM or one of the best). Berbatov has been the man (among all players) who has made the biggest difference that season. Nevertheless, he gets the miserable 14 %. Cheers.

:lol: so, reading between the lines;

i want Dimi's babies...

:shrug: fair do's... there was me thinking you'd be voting Bent...

 

[Berbati]

:lol: so, reading between the lines;



:shrug: fair do's... there was me thinking you'd be voting Bent...

That's a mean remark (nothing surprising really) that contributes nothing to the debate. If you think I have exaggerated Berbatov's contribution to the team please show me where I went wrong.

Is Berbatov's aerial ability infinetely superior to Keane's? - Yes, it is.

Is Berbatov better at holding up the ball under pressure? -
Yes, he is.

Is Berbatov better at bringing his team-mates into game? - Yes, he is.


As regards Berbatov's laziness, I'd lke to cite David Matzdorf who apart from being Spurs through and through, is one of the most clever people writing at that forum:


"It's his ability to hold the ball up that has made him so difficult to defend - that's the main thing that he does better now than he did when he arrived.

It's also one reason why I get so annoyed when people confuse his relaxed/languid style with laziness. When Berbatov gets the ball under pressure, which he does perhaps 20 times per match, his upper body is working incredibly hard, just to keep him balanced so he can control the ball with such apparent effortlessness."

All those who want to argue that Keane has been better than Berbatov that season have to show that Keane has been better than Berbatov outside those two departments of goals and assists where their contribution seems to be on a par. If they conflate work rate with closng down defenders, then they may delude themselves that they have a good argument. But work rate doesn't boil down to running and closing down defenders. Winning balls in the air, holding up the ball and linking up the play under pressure are also vital components of forward's work rate.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

That's a mean remark (nothing surprising really) that contributes nothing to the debate. If you think I have exaggerated Berbatov's contribution to the team please show me where I went wrong.

yes, yes it was mean, wasn't it :up: i'm a meany, but i guess i've been called worse - yes, i think you exaggerated, i think you exaggerated every single time you post in a thread comparing players.

WE KNOW you love Berbatov, WE KNOW you think that no matter how his attitude might make the other players around him feel, he's still the greatest human alive. WE KNOW you don't see that his apparent lack of enthusiasm can make those of us who watched players like Gazza and Hoddle grind our teeth, yet still admire his technique.

The problem is that where you tell me to prove Keano is a better player, i don't have to prove anything - this is an opinion survey as to who has contributed the most to the team this year and (brace yourself, this might sting) Berbatov, whilst having a magic touch in front of goal on occasion, hasn't actually contributed much towards the factors i look for in a "team" player.

Keane encourages, he shouts, he screams, he runs faster than his marker, cuts in, cuts outside, runs the line, tracks back to defend, tears up the pitch on the break and directs the traffic. On and off the pitch he is a consumate professional and, on the rare occasion we see his professional side slip, underneath is pure passion and a need to play 100%.

Berbatov, to the casual observer, could take it or leave it. He shows no desire to really destroy an opponent - granted, both have very different play styles, but as an all round team member at Tottenham Hotspur, Keane is way, way more valuable than a hundred Berbatovs.

 

[Yid-ol]

i voted Berabtov, but after reading what Berbati posted, chan i change my mind please :up:

 

[Berbati]

yes, yes it was mean, wasn't it :up: i'm a meany, but i guess i've been called worse - yes, i think you exaggerated, i think you exaggerated every single time you post in a thread comparing players.

WE KNOW you love Berbatov, WE KNOW you think that no matter how his attitude might make the other players around him feel, he's still the greatest human alive. WE KNOW you don't see that his apparent lack of enthusiasm can make those of us who watched players like Gazza and Hoddle grind our teeth, yet still admire his technique.

The problem is that where you tell me to prove Keano is a better player, i don't have to prove anything - this is an opinion survey as to who has contributed the most to the team this year and (brace yourself, this might sting) Berbatov, whilst having a magic touch in front of goal on occasion, hasn't actually contributed much towards the factors i look for in a "team" player.

Keane encourages, he shouts, he screams, he runs faster than his marker, cuts in, cuts outside, runs the line, tracks back to defend, tears up the pitch on the break and directs the traffic. On and off the pitch he is a consumate professional and, on the rare occasion we see his professional side slip, underneath is pure passion and a need to play 100%.

Berbatov, to the casual observer, could take it or leave it. He shows no desire to really destroy an opponent - granted, both have very different play styles, but as an all round team member at Tottenham Hotspur, Keane is way, way more valuable than a hundred Berbatovs.

People should not find surprising that the same person wrote some months ago that appointing Ramos would be a step backwards. RSS' footballing intelligence is below any reasonable limit. Therefore, no debate is possible.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

People should not find surprising that the same person wrote some months ago that appointing Ramos would be a step backwards. RSS' footballing intelligence is below any reasonable limit. Therefore, no debate is possible.

hey, i'd be more than happy to accept that accolade, along with the honour being mentioned in your first post that you haven't mentioned Dimi :lol:

And i didn't say "appointing Ramos would be a step backwards" i pointed out, as you apparently want, using figures and stats and proof, that the last manager to get more than three years in charge of our club was Keith Berkinshaw and, once again, we were about to shoot down another manager only 2 years into a "5 year plan".

Now, pick that apart if you want, but at least take what i say in context, eh? Starting to think you work for the Bulgarian red-tops :lol:

 

[wizgell]

I've gone for Steed. Although could have easily gone for Keane.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

bump

 

[Legend10]

Regarding the Keane Berbatov debate,

We will have real trouble replacing Berbatov, he is an exceptional world class striker and is undoubtedly the main reason we are scoring so many goals.

Keane could be improved upon with quite a few players and there are lots of his type around (unlike berbatov).

Keane is very good
Berbatov is exceptional

Incidently in the last few weeks Berbatov when playing deeper & deeper has also proved that he would easily be our best midfield player, his passing from deeper positions has been sublime.

I find it incredible that some people think that Keane or indeed anybody else that we have is more important than Berbatov. It is no coincidence that Keane's best 2 years at the club in terms of goals and ratio's have been whilst playing alongside Berbatov, if Berba leaves in the summer I believe Keane's numbers will go straight back to where they were pre Berbatov which whilst not being bad are nowhere near the same. In short playing alongside Berbatov makes Keane a much better player than he actually is and the same can be said for all of our offensive players.

 

[Dougal]

Why is there a Keane/Berbatov debate? Why always one or the other? We have the best front pairing in the Premiership, let's enjoy it.

 

[Berbati]

Regarding the Keane Berbatov debate,

We will have real trouble replacing Berbatov, he is an exceptional world class striker and is undoubtedly the main reason we are scoring so many goals.

Keane could be improved upon with quite a few players and there are lots of his type around (unlike berbatov).

Keane is very good
Berbatov is exceptional

Incidently in the last few weeks Berbatov when playing deeper & deeper has also proved that he would easily be our best midfield player, his passing from deeper positions has been sublime.

I find it incredible that some people think that Keane or indeed anybody else that we have is more important than Berbatov. It is no coincidence that Keane's best 2 years at the club in terms of goals and ratio's have been whilst playing alongside Berbatov, if Berba leaves in the summer I believe Keane's numbers will go straight back to where they were pre Berbatov which whilst not being bad are nowhere near the same. In short playing alongside Berbatov makes Keane a much better player than he actually is and the same can be said for all of our offensive players.

In the first leg against Arsenal (1:1) and against Chelsea (4:4) some of his passes were in the mould of the greatest playmakers I can remember, e.g., Platini, Zidane. Especially one of his through balls to Keane against Chelsea was of a quality superior to every pass the likes of Lampard, Gerrard etc. can produce.

Keane has had a great season and it can be a bit frustrating for him to not win that award. I'm sceptical about the view that he has contributed more than his partner but ultimately he deserves to be awarded for his effort and class performances.

 

[PLTuck]

Keane could be improved upon with quite a few players and there are lots of his type around (unlike berbatov).

I don't agree with this. What other player that would bag us 100 goals over 5 / 6 seasons would stick with us through thick and thin, never run to the papers when he's not playing, accept competition in the right spirit, and also be a bloody good captain in the dressing room (by all accounts)?

I can think of many that would get us 20 goals a season, but they would have been off like a shot as soon as we got a 8th - 14th place finish, which happened pretty regularly until Jol.

IMO Keane is more irreplaceable than Berbs, not so much for his actions on the pitch, but for his sheer drive, dedication, professionalism and dare I say it, loyalty to our wonderful club.

 

[tRiKS]

It hink keane will run out a worthy winner but i wouldn't rule out Woodgate on the ammount of games he hasn't played. As far as consistency is concerned he's been brilliant in every game... and a fair chunk of his playing time has been as a back 1 when we've gone chasing games time after time.

 

[Caboose]

What happens to the £5 donation that has to be made to enter this draw?