Ricardo Rocha

[haxman]

i would rather have seen tainio jenas zokora or rocha given the right back slot for now instead of buying hutton, (ramos clearly rates chimbonda as ''languid'')
bit of a panic buy if you ask me.

So you'd rather see us having a player playing out of position than an international right back with Champions League experience playing in his natural position. Hmmm.

Panic buy? Smart buy imo. He was linked to Man Utd so Ferguson must've seen something there. Hutton has the potential to go very far in this game.

 

[Kendall]

I trust Juande's judgement. :shrug:

I love Lee, but he's fallen out of favour and as much as I'd love to see Lee playing, if Juande doesn't think he should then I trust him.

We haven't got Juande in charge for no reason.

I see where you're coming from. But even though juande is obviously quality and it's his decision, I still think as fans we are allowed to raise our eyebrows a little.

I don't understand the Lee situation, it actually seems insane to be and going by Malbranque's performances since Lee was taken out of the team, I'm surprised further than he hasn't been put back in.

He was/is the best option at LB at the moment & I think he proved that over the course of the season.

So yea, the Lee dropping situation gets a bit :shrug: from me as it's clearly not working.

 

[Flatters]

I see where you're coming from. But even though juande is obviously quality and it's his decision, I still think as fans we are allowed to raise our eyebrows a little.

I don't understand the Lee situation, it actually seems insane to be and going by Malbranque's performances since Lee was taken out of the team, I'm surprised further than he hasn't been put back in.

He was/is the best option at LB at the moment & I think he proved that over the course of the season.

So yea, the Lee dropping situation gets a bit :shrug: from me as it's clearly not working.

Of course we're allowed to put our opinions forward, but other than the fact that he's a top class manager and we're not, we never know the full extent of how and why his decisions are made.

 

[SpursManChris]

Firstly, to the guy who mentioned he has been injured throughout the season, yes I do know that, my thread relates to him in his current form which is not injured. Secondly, yes, I agree with the people who say that Ramos is the man who works with the players and know them best, but I'm sorry, I just cannot see how Zokora or Hudd who are playing out of position can fill the role better than an experienced player like Rocha, I just cannot. And they haven't exactly shone in that position you'd have to say.

My thoughts?

Firstly, that you're a disgrace.

Secondly, both Jol and Ramos have left Rocha out this season. Draw the obvious conclusion.

How am I a disgrace? Jol left out Rocha because he had been injured and even then he has made appearances.

 

[nidge]

You are a disgrace for the shite names that you have called our players and that isn't the first time. :roll:

 

[clint]

i really believe that ramos' only problem with lee is his height. i think ramos should keep him as a utility sub, if lee is ok with that (beyond the summer)

 

[clint]

So you'd rather see us having a player playing out of position than an international right back with Champions League experience playing in his natural position. Hmmm.

Panic buy? Smart buy imo. He was linked to Man Utd so Ferguson must've seen something there. Hutton has the potential to go very far in this game.

well yeah. jenas won't have a role in the middle if we go out and get a top class attacking cm in the summer (poulsen?) so he could have been converted into an attacking Rb. or tainio cos he needs a regular place in the team . or zokora (same reasons as jenas)..

 

[clint]

How you can rate O'hara but not Hutton is beyond me?

As for Kaboul, I definitely think he has pedigree and I'm sure he will learn a lot from Woodgate and King; but at the moment, he has a lot to learn and is miles behind a player like Micha Richards or Lescott for example...

im not against hutton, i havent seen him alot yet.. ohara is much younger though and could really go places.


+seeing chimbonda wasting space at left back has made me a bit biased against hutton..

 

[Kendall]

O'Hara is only 2 years younger than Hutton.

O'Hara is older than both Huddlestone and Lennon, which gives you an indication of just how good the latter two are and have been for their age.

 

[Marty]

O'Hara is two years younger than Hutton, not exactly 'much younger'. They can both 'really go places'

 

[Marty]

Thank you Kendall

 

[Chaplain]

O'Hara is older than both Huddlestone and Lennon, which gives you an indication of just how good the latter two are and have been for their age.

You make it sound like there's a huge age difference between O'Hara and Huddlestone & Lennon, but it really is only half a year/a year, which is really nothing.

 

[clint]

fair enough, ohara isnt that young, but maybe he should have been given a chance earlier then.. jol yah bastid! ehe



my apologies, i thought hutton was 26/27..





on the ''ferguson was interested in hutton'' argument, doesnt mean alot to me! fergie was playing neville what seemed like forever and he is shite. well, not a bad defender, but all bark n spite, it can really get you a long way in footy it seems..

 

[Pedro]

O'Hara is only 2 years younger than Hutton.

O'Hara is older than both Huddlestone and Lennon, which gives you an indication of just how good the latter two are and have been for their age.

And perhaps an indication that ohara hasnt developed quick enough. He broke though very late, has looked good in few games but will need to develop his game pretty quickly to maintain his career at spurs.

Hutton has also missed 2-3 yrs from serious injury, so has missed that development time. he's gonna be class though

 

[Kendall]

I make it sound like there is a gulf in talent, which there is, hense why O'Hara has only just made his breakthrough and Huddlestone and Lennon have been playing in the first team for 1.5 & 2.5 years respectively, despite being younger.

O'Hara is a cracking little player, but he is way off Hudd, Lennon and Hutton, and they're all roughly of a similar age.

 

[SpursManChris]

I dunno why people are acting like I'm the first ever person to be putting a play on players names to make them insults, it happens every day!

The idea of the thread was really to think about how in the world fill in,out of position CB's like Zokora and Hudd can be used more effectively than an experienced player like Rocha. Doesn't really work out does it? It's always going to be Rocha regardless of how much you dislike him. Because he is an actual defender. How can Ramos rate him less than the fill ins? Obviously there is some circumstance we are unaware of, there usually is, but I have been a little confused over this.

 

[clint]

when the hudd came to us , he was considered as much a cb talent as a cm.

for your information, ''spurs'' man chris

 

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

well yeah. jenas won't have a role in the middle if we go out and get a top class attacking cm in the summer (poulsen?) so he could have been converted into an attacking Rb. or tainio cos he needs a regular place in the team . or zokora (same reasons as jenas)..

what? Jenas at RB? Poulsen is a DM, so if bought will not replace Jenas. And even if we buy a midfielder or two, Jenas will still have a role in midfield 'cause he is our best midfielder.

 

[haxman]

well yeah. jenas won't have a role in the middle if we go out and get a top class attacking cm in the summer (poulsen?) so he could have been converted into an attacking Rb. or tainio cos he needs a regular place in the team . or zokora (same reasons as jenas)..

If we sign an attacking midfielder e.g. Diego ray: in the summer, he is better than Jenas and should play in that position. Jenas would be good cover for that position or right side midfield but you are talking about him at RB? He isn't that type of player. Same as Tainio. Eventually they would get caught out.

Poulsen is a DM.

 

[clint]

again, sorry, i thought poulsen was an attacking mid from reading bbc site..

for sure, jenas is our best ''all round midfielder'' but he is certainly no specialist, and i would not expect him to cement a place in the midfield next season if we do go out, as expected, and buy a top class attacking mid. can only realistically see him playing in the team regularly as a right back or a defensive midfielder.