Ratings vs Watford

[doctor stefan Freud]

Having watched the game now I can't give any of our players bad reviews. Sure everyone was not at their very, very best for every minute but we had enough of everything to have won by a country mile. Watford defended well, Gomes did a great job in goal for them; we can't expect teams to just roll over and let us win ... Some respect for opposition is needed by us on this site but at least the team don't treat any opposition lightly.

Some varied quality attacking play, solid defensive play and room for improvement. What's not to like

Good post, don't understand the dislike rating

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I've put him in this weeks 4231.




This is such spurious bullshit, it ill behooves you. Weight of opinion means fuck all scientifically. And anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know this. If you get a room full of fuckwits and one intelligent person does that make the fuckwits right? Weight of opinion told us the earth was flat. Weight of opinion held black people as an inferior race in the western world for centuries. Weight of opinion believed left handed women were witches. Weight of opinion tells us the british isles will crumble into the sea if the queens head isn't on it's 5p bit.

Go and read the Palace match thread. The weight of opinion was that he was having a bad game and contributing (along with others) to Palace's increasing threat.

I'm not saying anything outrageous here Sloth, you don't seem to be responding to what I am actually saying, you seem to have a template response which you copy and paste in repost to anything I post which isn't singing from the majority hymn sheet or, more relevantly, your hymn sheet.

You seem to be conveniently ignoring anything positive I say about Alli, or the rationale I have applied when discussing him, the examples and arguments for and against I have considered, and have made up your mind I have have some kind of agenda against him. I have repeatedly stated that I like many of the qualities he has. I have stated I would like for us to find a role for him within the team. I have just questioned whether the roles he's been given, in the format they have been part of, with the personnel around him have always been right. I have also called some of his overall performances poor, and I haven't been alone when doing so - so I have had some weight of opinion on my side, not yours, certainly on some occasions.

Why do you think ManC are not walking away with the league this year ? Chelsea, ManU and Arsenal are all varying degrees of meh after all. Could it be that Pellegrini is struggling to accommodate very talented players like Toure into his 4231 format? Could it be possible that as uber talented as Toure is, they might be a better, more cohesive team if they either didn't play him at all or changed formation to maximise his strengths and accommodate his weaknesses ?

The weight of opinion was that Dawson was a fantastic CB. The weight of opinion was that Walker was one of, if not the best RB in the league three years ago. Look at what we have now, kind of disproves your weight of opinion theory doesn't it?

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
― Mark Twain

“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.”
― Leo Tolstoy

“I don't imagine you will dispute the fact that at present the stupid people are in an absolutely overwhelming majority all the world over.”
― Henrik Ibsen

“The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widely spread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.”
― Bertrand Russell,

“The only tyrant I accept in this world is the 'still small voice' within me. And even though I have to face the prospect of being a minority of one, I humbly believe I have the courage to be in such a hopeless minority.”
― Mahatma Gandhi,




Again, we are not talking scientists or well educated people here. We are talking, often poorly educated people given jobs by their friends, often stealing a living by saying baaahhh or moooo when the rest of their ilk do, frequently having not actually even analysed properly what they have seen. I really couldn't give a shit what Robbie Savage or Jamie Redknapp says. Your welcome to them as your wingmen.

The risible case you make for 1 & 2 makes 3 somewhat moribund. But for the record I'm not claiming all Mexicans are drug dealers, or that football is is a lizard conspiracy and we should all wear turquoise.

I'm not even saying Alli is shit.

I love your commitment and passion to your views, and the intriguing, intelligent way you convey them. I also think your last sentence is just as effective as anything else you offer in this post.

 

[thfc12]

I don't think Alli has played a variety of positions well - yet - and I think that's why he's been shunted around into various positions. I think he's proved he's capable of contributing goals and creative input from a variety of positions, but he has not always performed the other facets of those positions well. A CM in a CM2 needs to a hell of a lot more than just be able to bomb into the box and get on the end something. An ACM needs a quick and composed brain whilst all around is chaos, Alli has had moments but often looked a bit bumbly in that position and yes he did OK when he came on saturday but I don't think his natural position will ever be ALM.

What would you actually say is Alli's best position, or more importantly what position do you think Alli should play that is best for the team ? Because in a 4231 I am genuinely struggling to answer that question with conviction.

I've suggested putting Mason next to Dier and Dembele, Alli & Eriksen as AM's next week against City because I think it will make us robust and able to press and hold the ball in the final third where City are vulnerable whilst giving us two good hard working CM's with some ball playing in Mason.

Eriksen is given at least as much license to roam, in fact I think our AM's are all given a reasonable amount of freedom and interchangeability. I don't think Alli is unique in that aspect.

I don't get your question about Walker, can you rephrase it ?

If only there was a man who watches Alli everyday in training to decide what his best position is and what formation to use

 

[mpickard2087]

Sloth dangled the bait... and BC bit.

 

[ClintEastwould]

I've put him in this weeks 4231.




This is such spurious bullshit, it ill behooves you. Weight of opinion means fuck all scientifically. And anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know this. If you get a room full of fuckwits and one intelligent person does that make the fuckwits right? Weight of opinion told us the earth was flat. Weight of opinion held black people as an inferior race in the western world for centuries. Weight of opinion believed left handed women were witches. Weight of opinion tells us the british isles will crumble into the sea if the queens head isn't on it's 5p bit.

Go and read the Palace match thread. The weight of opinion was that he was having a bad game and contributing (along with others) to Palace's increasing threat.

I'm not saying anything outrageous here Sloth, you don't seem to be responding to what I am actually saying, you seem to have a template response which you copy and paste in repost to anything I post which isn't singing from the majority hymn sheet or, more relevantly, your hymn sheet.

You seem to be conveniently ignoring anything positive I say about Alli, or the rationale I have applied when discussing him, the examples and arguments for and against I have considered, and have made up your mind I have have some kind of agenda against him. I have repeatedly stated that I like many of the qualities he has. I have stated I would like for us to find a role for him within the team. I have just questioned whether the roles he's been given, in the format they have been part of, with the personnel around him have always been right. I have also called some of his overall performances poor, and I haven't been alone when doing so - so I have had some weight of opinion on my side, not yours, certainly on some occasions.

Why do you think ManC are not walking away with the league this year ? Chelsea, ManU and Arsenal are all varying degrees of meh after all. Could it be that Pellegrini is struggling to accommodate very talented players like Toure into his 4231 format? Could it be possible that as uber talented as Toure is, they might be a better, more cohesive team if they either didn't play him at all or changed formation to maximise his strengths and accommodate his weaknesses ?

The weight of opinion was that Dawson was a fantastic CB. The weight of opinion was that Walker was one of, if not the best RB in the league three years ago. Look at what we have now, kind of disproves your weight of opinion theory doesn't it?

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
― Mark Twain

“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.”
― Leo Tolstoy

“I don't imagine you will dispute the fact that at present the stupid people are in an absolutely overwhelming majority all the world over.”
― Henrik Ibsen

“The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widely spread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.”
― Bertrand Russell,

“The only tyrant I accept in this world is the 'still small voice' within me. And even though I have to face the prospect of being a minority of one, I humbly believe I have the courage to be in such a hopeless minority.”
― Mahatma Gandhi,




Again, we are not talking scientists or well educated people here. We are talking, often poorly educated people given jobs by their friends, often stealing a living by saying baaahhh or moooo when the rest of their ilk do, frequently having not actually even analysed properly what they have seen. I really couldn't give a shit what Robbie Savage or Jamie Redknapp says. Your welcome to them as your wingmen.

The risible case you make for 1 & 2 makes 3 somewhat moribund. But for the record I'm not claiming all Mexicans are drug dealers, or that football is is a lizard conspiracy and we should all wear turquoise.

I'm not even saying Alli is shit.

This post is gold. I mean the use of "ill behooves", the quotes from Gandhi and co with hyper links for good effect, its all too much BC, man.

 

[spursram]

I think I get your point.

Dele the Allien.

Suddenly it all makes sense

That could explain the dizziness.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I've put him in this weeks 4231.




This is such spurious bullshit, it ill behooves you. Weight of opinion means fuck all scientifically. And anyone with a modicum of intelligence will know this. If you get a room full of fuckwits and one intelligent person does that make the fuckwits right? Weight of opinion told us the earth was flat. Weight of opinion held black people as an inferior race in the western world for centuries. Weight of opinion believed left handed women were witches. Weight of opinion tells us the british isles will crumble into the sea if the queens head isn't on it's 5p bit.

Go and read the Palace match thread. The weight of opinion was that he was having a bad game and contributing (along with others) to Palace's increasing threat.

I'm not saying anything outrageous here Sloth, you don't seem to be responding to what I am actually saying, you seem to have a template response which you copy and paste in repost to anything I post which isn't singing from the majority hymn sheet or, more relevantly, your hymn sheet.

You seem to be conveniently ignoring anything positive I say about Alli, or the rationale I have applied when discussing him, the examples and arguments for and against I have considered, and have made up your mind I have have some kind of agenda against him. I have repeatedly stated that I like many of the qualities he has. I have stated I would like for us to find a role for him within the team. I have just questioned whether the roles he's been given, in the format they have been part of, with the personnel around him have always been right. I have also called some of his overall performances poor, and I haven't been alone when doing so - so I have had some weight of opinion on my side, not yours, certainly on some occasions.

Why do you think ManC are not walking away with the league this year ? Chelsea, ManU and Arsenal are all varying degrees of meh after all. Could it be that Pellegrini is struggling to accommodate very talented players like Toure into his 4231 format? Could it be possible that as uber talented as Toure is, they might be a better, more cohesive team if they either didn't play him at all or changed formation to maximise his strengths and accommodate his weaknesses ?

The weight of opinion was that Dawson was a fantastic CB. The weight of opinion was that Walker was one of, if not the best RB in the league three years ago. Look at what we have now, kind of disproves your weight of opinion theory doesn't it?

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
― Mark Twain

“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.”
― Leo Tolstoy

“I don't imagine you will dispute the fact that at present the stupid people are in an absolutely overwhelming majority all the world over.”
― Henrik Ibsen

“The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widely spread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.”
― Bertrand Russell,

“The only tyrant I accept in this world is the 'still small voice' within me. And even though I have to face the prospect of being a minority of one, I humbly believe I have the courage to be in such a hopeless minority.”
― Mahatma Gandhi,




Again, we are not talking scientists or well educated people here. We are talking, often poorly educated people given jobs by their friends, often stealing a living by saying baaahhh or moooo when the rest of their ilk do, frequently having not actually even analysed properly what they have seen. I really couldn't give a shit what Robbie Savage or Jamie Redknapp says. Your welcome to them as your wingmen.

The risible case you make for 1 & 2 makes 3 somewhat moribund. But for the record I'm not claiming all Mexicans are drug dealers, or that football is is a lizard conspiracy and we should all wear turquoise.

I'm not even saying Alli is shit.

I have not reads much of the thread, not the post to which this responds. I have no idea of I agree or disagree with either member of this argument. I just know that I loved reading this!