Player Watch Player Watch: Yves Bissouma

[Johno1470]

Because they are desperate to look morally superior and to give the appearance of what fantastic humans they are, unfortunately Windy has previous for this type of behaviour.

He’s beginning to rub off on the stats guy too. I enjoy their podcast most of the time but I felt really uncomfortable listening to that episode in particular - mainly as I listen to it for purely football purposes. They did make some fair points, especially that if a normal joe was applying for a job and was under investigation for a similar offence, they’d likely not get it until cleared.

Obviously the club have done their research and were confident that his participation in the investigation would be dropped.

 

[wrd]

He’s beginning to rub off on the stats guy too. I enjoy their podcast most of the time but I felt really uncomfortable listening to that episode in particular - mainly as I listen to it for purely football purposes. They did make some fair points, especially that if a normal joe was applying for a job and was under investigation for a similar offence, they’d likely not get it until cleared.

Obviously the club have done their research and were confident that his participation in the investigation would be dropped.

Yeah I think that point ignores the context of the situation and to be honest that line of thinking always irritates me because yes when you change the parameters of something then the result will be different. Reminds me of Jimmy Carr saying that people would say of his girlfriend; she’s only with you because you’re famous and he would respond yeah but I am famous.

 

[ShelfWatcher]

The people who didn't want us to sign Bissouma because of the allegations, not charges, were wrong, simple as.
Why can't they admit that, then it's easier to move on
Innocent until proved guilty, this one never even went to court.

 

[djhotspur]

No, if you think it was that simple, you weren’t getting the point. It doesn’t change the fact we signed someone that at the time was involved in a sexual assault case. Yes, he’s innocent by court of law, buzzing to finally concentrate on football and clearly the club knew something. But fans didn’t know the situation, only that he was involved in a case, which didn’t reflect well and could negatively impact upon those effected previously that support our club.

Anyway, now it’s time to move on and I’m mighty glad we can because he’s one hell of a player and he’s totally cleared.

Let’s not discuss that side anymore, just needed to clear it up. it wasn’t some online bickering like discussing whether we prefer player a or player b. It was a genuine concern. So less of the ‘so called spurs fans’.

It was documented that he wasn’t involved and that it was a member of his entourage

 

[Coyboy]

The last few pages of posts have vindicated my decision not to listen to TEI anymore. I saw the odd post on Twitter that summarised their position and it has occurred to me as @Locotoro said that the club was probably satisfied with YB’s legal advice that he would be cleared and/or took their own advice, or maybe they didn’t and went ahead anyway on the basis of innocent until etc; either way there is may (I don’t know either) a clause in the contract (to the extent that there needs to be) that they reserve the right to suspend/dismiss him should he be charged/convicted.



Whatever the case, we don’t know the ins and outs. TEI certainly don’t and this false certitude of fans that are self-appointed “Tactics guys” is pathetic. I stopped listening because I found the moralising dull and to be honest without wanting to be mean found Nathan irritating and sanctimonious with his goofy giggle at things that aren’t funny, Windy just pretty cringe and supercilious and (my ‘sidekick’-gag-)Bardi a bit of your classic cliché of a football hipster- we get it mate you’re part Italian, it’s not interesting.



/rant. I find myself getting enough of a fix of football from light-hearted pods like TFC and Football Cliches anyway but each to their own I guess.

 

[Timberwolf]

The last few pages of posts have vindicated my decision not to listen to TEI anymore. I saw the odd post on Twitter that summarised their position and it has occurred to me as @Locotoro said that the club was probably satisfied with YB’s legal advice that he would be cleared and/or took their own advice, or maybe they didn’t and went ahead anyway on the basis of innocent until etc; either way there is may (I don’t know either) a clause in the contract (to the extent that there needs to be) that they reserve the right to suspend/dismiss him should he be charged/convicted.



Whatever the case, we don’t know the ins and outs. TEI certainly don’t and this false certitude of fans that are self-appointed “Tactics guys” is pathetic. I stopped listening because I found the moralising dull and to be honest without wanting to be mean found Nathan irritating and sanctimonious with his goofy giggle at things that aren’t funny, Windy just pretty cringe and supercilious and (my ‘sidekick’-gag-)Bardi a bit of your classic cliché of a football hipster- we get it mate you’re part Italian, it’s not interesting.



/rant. I find myself getting enough of a fix of football from light-hearted pods like TFC and Football Cliches anyway but each to their own I guess.

I like them for the most part and find them a refreshing change from the usual football pods. Nathan is genuinely knowledgeable about tactics in a way that I appreciate (despite his occasional huge blind spots like Dele post-2018) and all 3 are clearly die-hard fans that love the club. Stopped listening during the Jose-era as it was too negative, but have enjoyed the pod under Conte.

That said, the pomposity of it does piss me off sometimes. When Windy insists on pronouncing players names as if he's a fucking native Spanish or Argentinian it gets under my skin to no end. I wouldn't expect any non-English person to pronounce my name in a perfect English accent, so it just seems incredibly wanky to me - like saying BAR-THE-LONA even though half the population of Spain don't even say it like that. /endrant

 

[Bulletspur]

Let’s not discuss that side anymore, just needed to clear it up. it wasn’t some online bickering like discussing whether we prefer player a or player b. It was a genuine concern. So less of the ‘so called spurs fans’.

You don't clear it up by sweeping it under the carpet or pretend it wasn't said. There were some on this forum who were calling him guilty without knowing the facts. As @McFlash said, there is nothing wrong in calling them out

 

[Stoof]

As much as I agree about some of the pomposity and virtue signalling that goes on, Windy was right in what he said regarding opinions. It's genuinely OK to not agree with someone's opinion on something non-football-related but still have an appreciation for their appraisals of players and discussion of football-related things generally.

I really didn't agree with their stance on Bissouma, it won't be the first time a person is either in the wrong place at the wrong time completely innocently or, more worryingly, is completely mistaken for someone else; and no matter what they argue, their stance was that he'd done it.

I don't think Spurs ever really thought "I know, we can get him on the cheap because of this police thing". Maybe they did and I'm being naive, but that doesn't sound like a thing you could smooth over with PR.

 

[npearl4spurs]

I don't understand Windy's opinion that fans, especially women, need to feel "weird" about Bissouma going forward. Put yourself in Bissouma's shoes. If you had been cleared of any wrong doing or suspicion by investigators of a serious offence sexually related, would you still want people subtly judging you and having their view of you tainted every time you put on the kit and stepped on the field? Justice is justice; vindication and clearing of guilt is freedom. It should be a breath of fresh air for Bissouma and all of the fans.

 

[McFlash]

I can't listen to TEI anymore.
I've never met the bloke so shouldn't really jump to assumptions about him but Windy gives me the impression of being the type of person I really dislike.

 

[the yid]

I don't understand Windy's opinion that fans, especially women, need to feel "weird" about Bissouma going forward. Put yourself in Bissouma's shoes. If you had been cleared of any wrong doing or suspicion by investigators of a serious offence sexually related, would you still want people subtly judging you and having their view of you tainted every time you put on the kit and stepped on the field? Justice is justice; vindication and clearing of guilt is freedom. It should be a breath of fresh air for Bissouma and all of the fans.

The bit that got to me was where he said we always have to believe women in these situations like we haven't had an international court case where a woman Amber Heard bull shitted to ruin a blokes life

 

[worcestersauce]

Ok, what is TEI? I guess it's a podcast the something something but I don't know what?

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Ok, what is TEI? I guess it's a podcast the something something but I don't know what?

I guess it's The Extra Inch (Spurs Podcast)

 

[austinfh]

The bit that got to me was where he said we always have to believe women in these situations like we haven't had an international court case where a woman Amber Heard bull shitted to ruin a blokes life

Well that’s not what happened but you’ve completely bought it haven’t you

 

[the yid]

Well that’s not what happened but you’ve completely bought it haven’t you

My point is believing the woman because they're a woman is dangerous. We have a legal system to determine what happened, woman lie and cheat just as much as men. So accusing a man of being a rapist or abuser just because a woman said so could ruin an innocent persons life

 

[XIIIMPC]

A legal system does not determine what is or isn't reality, it determines whether what happened can be proved beyond reasonable doubt. It gives us a solid idea but they aren't absolutely reliable either.

I'm not saying "believe every woman absolutely every time without exception" but I disagree that a trial should be relied on to totally dictate the reality of a situation.

 

[the yid]

A legal system does not determine what is or isn't reality, it determines whether what happened can be proved beyond reasonable doubt. It gives us a solid idea but they aren't absolutely reliable either.

I'm not saying "believe every woman absolutely every time without exception" but I disagree that a trial should be relied on to totally dictate the reality of a situation.

Missing the point to the comment from Windy that we must believe women in these situations. That's saying ignore all the facts, guilty until proven innocent even then has a cloud over his head. That's a dangerous way of thinking in my opinion. Not saying in this case the girls lying far from it but we have to look at the facts of the case etc to determine the truth not say you're guilty because they said so

 

[Locotoro]

Missing the point to the comment from Windy that we must believe women in these situations. That's saying ignore all the facts, guilty until proven innocent even then has a cloud over his head. That's a dangerous way of thinking in my opinion. Not saying in this case the girls lying far from it but we have to look at the facts of the case etc to determine the truth not say you're guilty because they said so

This is exactly the point.
When I worked in criminal justice many moons ago there were a great number of cases I dealt with that left me feeling very uncomfortable. But the one that still causes me a lump in my throat was a client who was falsely accused of sexual abuse and child abuse and despite being acquitted in court after his accuser admitted falsifying the story the poor chap had still had his entire life destroyed. He'd lost his job, lost his home as he was unable to work, disowned by his friends and family and ended up stepping in front of a bus a few weeks after the court case ended.

For me, an accusation is something that needs evidence and needs to be proven. It's not something that we should simply accept as gospel. Women need to be believed is a shitty approach that leaves lives messed up. The legal rule of thumb is "innocent until proven guilty" regardless of gender and, imo, at the very least the accused shouldn't have their identity published unless charged.

 

[XIIIMPC]

Missing the point to the comment from Windy that we must believe women in these situations. That's saying ignore all the facts, guilty until proven innocent even then has a cloud over his head. That's a dangerous way of thinking in my opinion. Not saying in this case the girls lying far from it but we have to look at the facts of the case etc to determine the truth not say you're guilty because they said so

I'm not missing the point - I was directly replying to you saying "we have a legal system to determine what happened". No it doesn't. It can't, not completely. The law, the courts, don't dictate reality.

 

[teddy1066]

I’m slightly bemused that this forum doesn’t seem more excited about this signing. I think he could be the game changer for us and under Conte could become world class