Ex-Player Watch Player watch: Nathan Oduwa

[spurs9]

windy on oduwa: Has been talking to Colchester about a loan. That's about his level just now. Apparently he is very aware that he has no long term future at Spurs.

That's very disappointing to hear. Very sad to hear we have written him off at already, he is only 19 FFS.

 

[spurs9]

His development has been shocking and in there is a very talented player its a shame we haven't done better. Part of it hasnt been our fault like his injuries and his move to WBA

I think your being very harsh there. Other than his poor loans what else has been done wrong?

 

[beats1]

I think your being very harsh there. Other than his poor loans what else has been done wrong?

I think we have been getting him poor loans, I think ever since ramsey left there have been some players who looked much better under Ramsey then they did afterwards, which is a shame

The two loans were a terrible choice, as I have said when you get a loan at a substandard level (league 2 or scotland) there aren't many benefits but big drawbacks like; due to the style of play its harder for players to settle and when you get written off at this level its harder for the player to come back

Also I think the coaches are too quick write people off. You would think we have had learnt our lesson from our previous near misses

 

[Shadydan]

The thing with this country as a whole get scared of individual talent. This boy has it in abundance.

From my limited knowledge I believe the boy has the ability to be a world beater and if given the chance he will be.

If he was in South America he'd be heralded as the next big thing but because he tries something different and not safe people criticise or try to beat it out of him.

That's why we never produce players like the two Ronnies, Messi's etc....

We've had players of that potential in Rooney or Joe Cole but due to their sporting education it was knocked out of them.

We couldn't even produce a Mahez because every thing is about the team ethic, work rate and all that boring stuff. That can only take you so far as England have shown in recent years

Oduwa wouldn't have been as individually brilliant as he is if he went the traditional route, he played smaller sided games, perfected his skills in local pitches and went into the team game a lot later.

I love the enthusiasm he plays with at this age and he will get better if given the freedom to express himself.

I personally think he has more potential than Onomah and Pritchard and offers something that no one at Spurs has right now.

In preseason he was excellent and was surprised we let him go to Rangers thinking he be best suited staying with us, similar to what Onomah has had.

Scottish football did not what had hit them and some of the displays he gave were unbelievable but for the British desease he wasn't trusted. Too much of a fancy Dan in their eyes.

If I was in the coaching setup I would send him to Coventry City to build his education and see how he does.

I think disregarding this precocious talent would be a big mistake.

We have a South American manager with a very much continental setup in the youth teams, we bring through players that we know will make it, players with technical and tactical quality as well as having the correct mentality to succeed.

Oduwa hasn't made it because he simply isn't good enough as judged by people who know a thing or two about bringing through youngsters.

 

[beats1]

We have a South American manager with a very much continental setup in the youth teams, we bring through players that we know will make it, players with technical and tactical quality as well as having the correct mentality to succeed.

Oduwa hasn't made it because he simply isn't good enough as judged by people who know a thing or two about bringing through youngsters.

I think that is debatable

Before people start saying oh well they did great with Kane, Bentaleb, Pritchard, Carroll, Mason and etc!

That isn't true, the people who developed those guys have long gone, the academy is completely different from what is was 3 years ago under AVB in his first season(which when it was at its best)

The jury is still out on these guys.

Even Onomah, Winks, CCV, Maghoma and etc have been products of Inglethorpe and Ramsey. It was last year that they weren't playing under them.

 

[DaSpurs]

Not surprised tbh. Guy just doesn't have the right body build/habitus to make it at this level at his position.

 

[Shadydan]

I think that is debatable

Before people start saying oh well they did great with Kane, Bentaleb, Pritchard, Carroll, Mason and etc!

That isn't true, the people who developed those guys have long gone, the academy is completely different from what is was 3 years ago under AVB in his first season(which when it was at its best)

The jury is still out on these guys.

Even Onomah, Winks, CCV, Maghoma and etc have been products of Inglethorpe and Ramsey. It was last year that they weren't playing under them.

That isn't the point I am making, it doesn't matter who he was playing under or who developed him in the youth teams ultimately the point is he's being judged as a footballer at this very moment who deem he is not good enough for Spurs, it's as simple as that.

 

[Kaboul'sForehead]

His age is irrelevant; if he doesn't work hard enough and isn't displaying the desire and work ethic then sell. We don't know what he is like on the training ground but what we do know is that under Poch ability always comes as a 2nd priority after work rate. If the well-oiled development coaches and Poch are certain he won't work as hard as everyone else then sell him and maybe he will work wonders at Leicester with their two proper training sessions a week.

 

[garryparkerschest]

That isn't the point I am making, it doesn't matter who he was playing under or who developed him in the youth teams ultimately the point is he's bring judged as a footballer at this very moment who deem he is not good enough for Spurs, it's as simple as that.

We actually don't know whether that's true, it's all speculation.

I personally think he's more than good enough to make the grade just needs the right tutelage.

I don't think you can give up on someone who's 19 years old.

 

[garryparkerschest]

Not surprised tbh. Guy just doesn't have the right body build/habitus to make it at this level at his position.

It's a good job that players like Modric, Waddle and Gascoigne weren't judged on their body build.

 

[Shadydan]

We actually don't know whether that's true, it's all speculation.

I personally think he's more than good enough to make the grade just needs the right tutelage.

I don't think you can give up on someone who's 19 years old.

How is it speculation?

Why is he being loaned out to Rangers whilst Onomah is being given a chance in the first team? Why did Mark Warburton deem he wasbt good enough and stop playing him? Why hasn't Oduwa being given a chance in the first team under the current management who have a philosophy to play young players who are good enough to make the grade despite their age?

All the signs are pointing to one thing.

 

[garryparkerschest]

How is it speculation?

Why is he being loaned out to Rangers whilst Onomah is being given a chance in the first team? Why did Mark Warburton deem he wasbt good enough and stop playing him? Why hasn't Oduwa being given a chance in the first team under the current management who have a philosophy to play young players who are good enough to make the grade despite their age?

All the signs are pointing to one thing.

By pointing do you mean speculating to one thing?

I felt he was easily good enough for Rangers and a lot of their fan were surprised he left. The point of a loan isn't just about match days and playing games. It's about picking up life skills, making it out on own.

I don't know him from Adam but from what I've read he does seem to have a bit of a personality and sometimes that can be misconstrued. I hope he gets his head down and works hard to make it work because ability wise I think he's as good as Onomah and Pritchard.

 

[L-man]

I'm shocked that people see him as a high potential player in our academy, obviously I'd be disappointed if we're letting a player go at 19 when he still has crucial years to develop but there are far more stand-out players in the academy right now than Oduwa. I've been to a fair amount of U21s matches over the last couple of years and combined with what I've seen from Luton and Rangers, there is nothing special I've seen compared to how well players like KWP, Carter-Vickers and Onomah have performed/ are performing. I think that because he has the odd step-over and trick in his locker, he's being overrated

He has a decent record at U21 level so it's odd that we're giving up on him or willing to let him go, especially with how light the U21s are for strikers and wing forwards. Although with good prospects in the U18 in Edwards, Sterling and Bennetts, maybe we are looking to promote them next year and don't see a future for Oduwa. It says a lot when Poch was talking about backup for Kane he referred to Harrison and Sterling rather than Oduwa despite Oduwa having more experience

 

[garryparkerschest]

I'm shocked that people see him as a high potential player in our academy, obviously I'd be disappointed if we're letting a player go at 19 when he still has crucial years to develop but there are far more stand-out players in the academy right now than Oduwa. I've been to a fair amount of U21s matches over the last couple of years and combined with what I've seen from Luton and Rangers, there is nothing special I've seen compared to how well players like KWP, Carter-Vickers and Onomah have performed/ are performing. I think that because he has the odd step-over and trick in his locker, he's being overrated

He has a decent record at U21 level so it's odd that we're giving up on him or willing to let him go, especially with how light the U21s are for strikers and wing forwards. Although with good prospects in the U18 in Edwards, Sterling and Bennetts, maybe we are looking to promote them next year and don't see a future for Oduwa

You sound like you've actually seen him play more than I have so I'll respect your opinion, I just have a feeling their could be a great player in him.

I'd give him a bit longer to see how he gets on.

 

[danielneeds]

The thing with this country as a whole get scared of individual talent. This boy has it in abundance.

From my limited knowledge I believe the boy has the ability to be a world beater and if given the chance he will be.

If he was in South America he'd be heralded as the next big thing but because he tries something different and not safe people criticise or try to beat it out of him.

That's why we never produce players like the two Ronnies, Messi's etc....

We've had players of that potential in Rooney or Joe Cole but due to their sporting education it was knocked out of them.

We couldn't even produce a Mahez because every thing is about the team ethic, work rate and all that boring stuff. That can only take you so far as England have shown in recent years

Oduwa wouldn't have been as individually brilliant as he is if he went the traditional route, he played smaller sided games, perfected his skills in local pitches and went into the team game a lot later.

I love the enthusiasm he plays with at this age and he will get better if given the freedom to express himself.

I personally think he has more potential than Onomah and Pritchard and offers something that no one at Spurs has right now.

In preseason he was excellent and was surprised we let him go to Rangers thinking he be best suited staying with us, similar to what Onomah has had.

Scottish football did not what had hit them and some of the displays he gave were unbelievable but for the British desease he wasn't trusted. Too much of a fancy Dan in their eyes.

If I was in the coaching setup I would send him to Coventry City to build his education and see how he does.

I think disregarding this precocious talent would be a big mistake.

Whilst you are right that British football favours power and work-rate over individual expression, it's just our football culture and we can't change it that easily.

We've still produced plenty of maverick off the cuff geniuses over the years though - from Best and Marsh, through to Gazza and Beardsley.

Problem is that these type of players don't develop through organised 11 a side games where you get 5 touches per match, or even 5 a side games with a teacher as a ref.

It comes from street football, where most players used to learn the game, particularly in what used to be tough working class cities like Liverpool and Newcastle. No ref, playing with all sizes of kids, the good players develop tricks and skills to protect themselves and thrive.

Problem is that street football is increasingly rare in this country as space is at a premium in our cities.

 

[Shadydan]

By pointing do you mean speculating to one thing?

I felt he was easily good enough for Rangers and a lot of their fan were surprised he left. The point of a loan isn't just about match days and playing games. It's about picking up life skills, making it out on own.

I don't know him from Adam but from what I've read he does seem to have a bit of a personality and sometimes that can be misconstrued. I hope he gets his head down and works hard to make it work because ability wise I think he's as good as Onomah and Pritchard.

Okay look, if you want to argue that it's pure speculation then fine although you are massively speculating here as well you do know that right?

The point is that all the evidence comes down to a player who cannot and has not for some reason or another made the grade at Tottenham, despite being with us for 9 years.

Mark Warburton is a manager who knows how to guide and manage young players, he said that Oduwa's loan was cut short because he wasn't 'mentally right' now whether that's down to the lack of protection from refs from the ridiculous challenges he faced in Scotland we don't know but that I'm afraid is part of his tuition and if the manager has come out and said that then he's ultimately failed.

 

[L-man]

You sound like you've actually seen him play more than I have so I'll respect your opinion, I just have a feeling their could be a great player in him.

I'd give him a bit longer to see how he gets on.

There could be a great player in him, it's not for me or anyone else to really say he can't make it at this point in his career. I'd love nothing more for him to have a great year or two and kick on into the first team squad and there is definitely a space in our team for someone to use their pace and produce something out of nothing. The more I think about it, the more I'd be disappointed in us letting him go as we've let a couple of good prospects go recently. To give up on him at 19 when he has a decent amount of goals and assists for the U21s is a stupid decision. Unless of course, he's adamant he wants to leave and start playing regular football we shouldn't really stand in his way if we can't offer him any promises.

One thing I've noticed with his loans is that he always starts great, rave reviews from fans and then later on he's suddenly not playing as much and getting fewer minutes. There may be a motivation problem there and he's struggling to get any sort of consistency

 

[garryparkerschest]

Okay look, if you want to argue that it's pure speculation then fine although you are massively speculating here as well you do know that right?

The point is that all the evidence comes down to a player who cannot and has not for some reason or another made the grade at Tottenham, despite being with us for 9 years.

Mark Warburton is a manager who knows how to guide and manage young players, he said that Oduwa's loan was cut short because he wasn't 'mentally right' now whether that's down to the lack of protection from refs from the ridiculous challenges he faced in Scotland we don't know but that I'm afraid is part of his tuition and if the manager has come out and said that then he's ultimately failed.

|I'm not going to argue with you and don't mean to come across that way but just because the lad has failed at one club doesn't mean he won't make it. Plenty of players that have 'failed' on Loan have come back stronger, Harry Kane is a great example.

It's entirely up to him how he responds to the set back, he may come back a better player. I'm just saying we shouldn't give up on him just yet.

 

[danielneeds]

|I'm not going to argue with you and don't mean to come across that way but just because the lad has failed at one club doesn't mean he won't make it. Plenty of players that have 'failed' on Loan have come back stronger, Harry Kane is a great example.

It's entirely up to him how he responds to the set back, he may come back a better player. I'm just saying we shouldn't give up on him just yet.

In the end, this is what someone as experienced as McDermott is now will be looking for - how does the player respond to set backs? Does he roll his sleeves up and say I'm going to prove them all wrong? Or does he go into his shell and hide? Ultimately, forget pace or strength, mental fortitude is the biggest asset a PL footballer can have.

 

[garryparkerschest]

In the end, this is what someone as experienced as McDermott is now will be looking for - how does the player respond to set backs? Does he roll his sleeves up and say I'm going to prove them all wrong? Or does he go into his shell and hide? Ultimately, forget pace or strength, mental fortitude is the biggest asset a PL footballer can have.

And as we don't really know him we can only speculate how he will respond.