Player Watch Player Watch: Micky van de Ven

[chas vs dave]

We will see about that when Brentford make mugs of Dier and Davies again

Then, you'll be long gone, never to return.....

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Imagine conceding the goals we did last season in a DEFENSIVE formation & thinking it’s not as bad as it seems, in an ATTACKING formation.

Delusional to say the least

 

[chas vs dave]

They have, more bad than good but I get your point.

The difference here is they will be in a high line against Premier league front lines. I have my doubts about this system in the Prem even with new quick CB's. With the likes of Dier or Davies in there it is a recipe for disaster. They just aren't quick or mobile enough to play this way against fast forwards and creative players with the ability to keep finding them. Romero is a good CB but his strenghs are his aggression and ability to read the game not outpace a CF in a footrace from the halfway line. If we don't add some pace we are in big trouble unless Ange changes the way we play.

I'm not disagreeing with that, however they will be under less pressure than in the low block.

I think we need improvements, however people saying they'll give up of certain players are playing is frankly ridiculous

 

[chas vs dave]

Imagine conceding the goals we did last season in a DEFENSIVE formation & thinking it’s not as bad as it seems, in an ATTACKING formation.

Delusional to say the least

If you retain the ball for 60- 70% of the time, then the opponent has less opportunities to score.

It's hardly delusional.

 

[Bosher]

So why wouldn't anyone with any sense just buy Topsoba(If he is the #1 target) now for less than VdV and Tosin then worry about the back up if and when Kane does go. I'd rather get the one we really want and have a starting XI player in than maybe end up with nothing at all.

This would be ideal, to get Tapsoba sorted and then worry about a third choice later down the line. The only problems I can foresee with it is if we don't see value in the figures being asked for Tapsoba and are trying to get his fee closer to what we value him at and there could also be a homegrown issue developing. Maybe Ange knows he needs two CB's and one of them has to be Homegrown. He could go for Tapsoba and hope to get a cheaper HG CB or get Tosin cheaper than Fulham are asking. Or he could go the VdV and Tosin route and miss out on his first choice in Tapsoba.

 

[E17yid]

Imagine conceding the goals we did last season in a DEFENSIVE formation & thinking it’s not as bad as it seems, in an ATTACKING formation.

Delusional to say the least

The best form of defence is to not let your opponent have the ball. We’ve been bending over conceding possession and sitting back inviting pressure for ages.

For sure we’re going to get bent over again this year but hopefully we’ll be putting some away as well.

 

[spurslenny]

Imagine conceding the goals we did last season in a DEFENSIVE formation & thinking it’s not as bad as it seems, in an ATTACKING formation.

Delusional to say the least

The irony of this assessment is that playing defensive yields territory, possession to the oppo and allows them to pass it at will around the edge of our penalty box and have pop shots at goal.

Yes, we are more open to being hit on the break playing attacking 'Ange's style of football' (cringe), but in all likelihood, I think we'll naturally concede fewer goals and chances by pure virtue of the fact we'll spend 60+% of the game in their half.

Thats how I see it anyway.

 

[Trix]

I'm not disagreeing with that, however they will be under less pressure than in the low block.

I think we need improvements, however people saying they'll give up of certain players are playing is frankly ridiculous

Maybe they will maybe they won't give up. My guess is they probably don't mean it but I think what people need to remember is for many it's not just about one decision in isolation. It's a build up of countless factors over the last few years and I could totally understand if some have decided to draw a line in the sand.

I'm extremely frustrated right now but it's not just because we are struggling to get CB's in.

Since the stadium has been built we've had the catastrophe that was the Super league, 3 years of awful negative football, the Paraticci situation, manager after manager coming in, none of which were backed properly, the lies about the stadium being the "game changer", rising ticket prices despite the team being poor, the lack of communication from the board, the failure to move players on, the constant meddling in footballing issues from Levy and his cronies regarding who to buy, the £150 million injection that was widely publicised actually only being 2/3rd's of that, window after window being left short as a squad....... and I could go on and on.

The Stadium is great, the training ground is fantastic, but it doesn't get close to balancing all the negative actions of the board in the last 3-4 years.

I couldn't do it but I could totally understand if some decided to walk away because they'd just had enough.

 

[Jody]

Maybe they will maybe they won't give up. My guess is they probably don't mean it but I think what people need to remember is for many it's not just about one decision in isolation. It's a build up of countless factors over the last few years and I could totally understand if some have decided to draw a line in the sand.

I'm extremely frustrated right now but it's not just because we are struggling to get CB's in.

Since the stadium has been built we've had the catastrophe that was the Super league, 3 years of awful negative football, the Paraticci situation, manager after manager coming in, none of which were backed properly, the lies about the stadium being the "game changer", rising ticket prices despite the team being poor, the lack of communication from the board, the failure to move players on, the constant meddling in footballing issues from Levy and his cronies regarding who to buy, the £150 million injection that was widely publicised actually only being 2/3rd's of that, window after window being left short as a squad....... and I could go on and on.

The Stadium is great, the training ground is fantastic, but it doesn't get close to balancing all the negative actions of the board in the last 3-4 years.

I couldn't do it but I could totally understand if some decided to walk away because they'd just had enough.

You’d hope to think this absolute shambles has to peak at some point. Hopefully it has already.

 

[jurgen]

If you retain the ball for 60- 70% of the time, then the opponent has less opportunities to score.

It's hardly delusional.

I’m afraid for the back half of last season and even in our first pre season match this year our defence have shown that they are likely to concede plenty of goals even when the opposition has relatively few chances.

 

[PaulThurston]

The difficult bastards.

Don't they know who we are?

 

[Wick3d]

You’d hope to think this absolute shambles has to peak at some point. Hopefully it has already.

It peaks if we get relegated, and the fans switch from the current apathy to violence. Seeing this is virtually impossible, the situation will just tick along as it always has. Levy won't be dethroned.

I don't understand why we haven't pulled the trigger on one big CB purchase, especially with how important they are to Ange's system. There are no excuses.

 

[danovice]

Maybe they will maybe they won't give up. My guess is they probably don't mean it but I think what people need to remember is for many it's not just about one decision in isolation. It's a build up of countless factors over the last few years and I could totally understand if some have decided to draw a line in the sand.

I'm extremely frustrated right now but it's not just because we are struggling to get CB's in.

Since the stadium has been built we've had the catastrophe that was the Super league, 3 years of awful negative football, the Paraticci situation, manager after manager coming in, none of which were backed properly, the lies about the stadium being the "game changer", rising ticket prices despite the team being poor, the lack of communication from the board, the failure to move players on, the constant meddling in footballing issues from Levy and his cronies regarding who to buy, the £150 million injection that was widely publicised actually only being 2/3rd's of that, window after window being left short as a squad....... and I could go on and on.

The Stadium is great, the training ground is fantastic, but it doesn't get close to balancing all the negative actions of the board in the last 3-4 years.

I couldn't do it but I could totally understand if some decided to walk away because they'd just had enough.

Well said and agree. When, as I expect, Kane is sold this window, I will cease to be a fan of Spurs. I will end my comparatively short fandom tenure (~12 years) because I can't continue to root for a team with demonstratively poor leadership. Everyone has to make their own choice in the matter; I choose to walk away.

 

[DFF]

How the fuck did we manage to get Maddison over the line that swiftly when we're still negotiating like ****s?

If we are not provided with 2 quality CBs ASAP, theres honestly no point in taking part of the season. 10-20 finish for sure.

Leicester needed the sale by end of June for FFP purposes. Same as Everton with Richarlison last season, which was literally done on June 30th. Different story altogether when the other side isn’t under financial pressure to sell.

 

[cst310]

Don't often post but it just seems so clear that this team is run like a business, not a sports team. As fans we don't have the same definition of success as ownership. It's a cultural thing that is now embedded into the organization, Lewis, Levy, the board, etc. and it HAS to be felt in the locker room as well. That's the stink that needs to be aired out of this organization.

I don't doubt some kind of CB will be brought in, but the priority of business success over pitch success is why it will be late, why certain deals won't get over the line, and why the system feels broken every year.

 

[spursfan77]

They have, more bad than good but I get your point.

The difference here is they will be in a high line against Premier league front lines. I have my doubts about this system in the Prem even with new quick CB's. With the likes of Dier or Davies in there it is a recipe for disaster. They just aren't quick or mobile enough to play this way against fast forwards and creative players with the ability to keep finding them. Romero is a good CB but his strenghs are his aggression and ability to read the game not outpace a CF in a footrace from the halfway line. If we don't add some pace we are in big trouble unless Ange changes the way we play.

We didn’t buy adequate players for Conte to play his system so unlikely we will do the same for Ange. Weird though as you’d think he wouldn’t want as expensive signings as Conte was after so it would be right up our tree.

The concern is we aren’t being linked with any alternatives which makes me wonder if there are any.

 

[chas vs dave]

Well said and agree. When, as I expect, Kane is sold this window, I will cease to be a fan of Spurs. I will end my comparatively short fandom tenure (~12 years) because I can't continue to root for a team with demonstratively poor leadership. Everyone has to make their own choice in the matter; I choose to walk away.

We aren't fc harry kane. When you chose to support spurs 12 years ago, you did realise that prior, we were lower to mid table for at least 12 - 14 years?

If we got relegated, I'd still be supporting spurs. I actually used to prefer the atmosphere at spurs when we were shit, at lest there wasn't this sense of entitlement.

 

[barry]

Well said and agree. When, as I expect, Kane is sold this window, I will cease to be a fan of Spurs. I will end my comparatively short fandom tenure (~12 years) because I can't continue to root for a team with demonstratively poor leadership. Everyone has to make their own choice in the matter; I choose to walk away.

My days. Don't take it so seriously. Support the club and hope for the best. It's only football. I wasted a lot of years being pissed at situations I couldn't control. What a waste, we're Tottenham, through good and bad, so just enjoy it. Don't let the negativity on here change you.
If all you care about is trophies and coherent plans, this ain't the club for you; if you want a rollercoaster, welcome aboard.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Maybe they will maybe they won't give up. My guess is they probably don't mean it but I think what people need to remember is for many it's not just about one decision in isolation. It's a build up of countless factors over the last few years and I could totally understand if some have decided to draw a line in the sand.

I'm extremely frustrated right now but it's not just because we are struggling to get CB's in.

Since the stadium has been built we've had the catastrophe that was the Super league, 3 years of awful negative football, the Paraticci situation, manager after manager coming in, none of which were backed properly, the lies about the stadium being the "game changer", rising ticket prices despite the team being poor, the lack of communication from the board, the failure to move players on, the constant meddling in footballing issues from Levy and his cronies regarding who to buy, the £150 million injection that was widely publicised actually only being 2/3rd's of that, window after window being left short as a squad....... and I could go on and on.

The Stadium is great, the training ground is fantastic, but it doesn't get close to balancing all the negative actions of the board in the last 3-4 years.

I couldn't do it but I could totally understand if some decided to walk away because they'd just had enough.

I think Levy just loves us singing his name

 

[DiVaio]

Imagine conceding the goals we did last season in a DEFENSIVE formation & thinking it’s not as bad as it seems, in an ATTACKING formation.

It's literally a reason why it won't be that bad lol. We will be playing attacking football, not camping in our box condeding a lot of shots like we did under Conte.
And again, the main reason why we conceded the amount of goals last season were our goalkeepers, not central defenders.