Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

[swarvsta]

Unfortunately you cannot have a decent debate on this forum without Paulo going crazy and blindly defending Trips. Negative rating for anyone who criticises.

I think nearly all my negative ratings are thanks to Paulo being so upset at my criticisms.

The difference is I have a fair and balanced view.

He was terrible defensively first half. But of course he has some positives to his game. Two years ago he was a FAR better player than he is now. He plays like he is half asleep at times, with no awareness.

Would Danny Rose have been play acting after a brush in the face? No.

I don’t dislike him, but I was furious at that particular moment where he played for a foul in such a dangerous situation. I would have ripped into him if he was my Sunday League team mate.

I was in Dam with 11 others and we were all raging at that. Emotion took over.

But for people to believe he isn’t a good enough first choice, does not mean we don’t support the team.

99% of fans know he will be replaced if we have the funds.

Poch is playing him as we have no other option.

He will have to start the final and I will be in the ground cheering him on with all my heart. But this is a forum for a debate - totally different.

 

[Mouse!]

I don’t particularly rate him, but at the same time I’m not going to ridicule him on a public forum immediately after made the Champions League final with him in the team. Just don’t feel right.

 

[swarvsta]

I don’t particularly rate him, but at the same time I’m not going to ridicule him on a public forum immediately after made the Champions League final with him in the team. Just don’t feel right.

Don’t think anyone is doing that. He has been one of our poorest players this year.

I would love him to come good, that would be amazing.

He is a decent player, but compare him to TAA, Walker or Robertson and you can see why we need to upgrade if money allows.

My biggest worry for the final is how good Liverpool’s full backs are. They have a massive edge over us in that regard.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Don’t think anyone is doing that. He has been one of our poorest players this year.

I would love him to come good, that would be amazing.

He is a decent player, but compare him to TAA, Walker or Robertson and you can see why we need to upgrade if money allows.

My biggest worry for the final is how good Liverpool’s full backs are. They have a massive edge over us in that regard.

Well thank fuck Man City's fullbacks were slow enough & shit enough for our fullbacks to deal with.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Here are l'equipe's ratings for another game...they're always so spot on.

Spoiler

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Lyon lost 2-0 with 69% possession and 2 men sent off at the death.

10 players under a 5/10. Yeah, sounds like a really accurate appraisal of the players' performances.

Haha you're so desperate to defend him that you found a random game with L'Equipe ratings, did research on said game, all in an attempt to discredit the newspaper. Chill the fuck out. Some people, including myself, don't rate him. I thought he had a terrible first half and a good second half. You don't need to become Donald Trippier when someone dares say something negative about him. It's fine if you rate him, but you defend him to the point where you look ridiculous because you act like he's the perfect right-back, which is obviously bollocks, and people don't take you seriously and will deliberately antagonise you. Because you get so triggered.

 

[swarvsta]

Well thank fuck Man City's fullbacks were slow enough & shit enough for our fullbacks to deal with.

Don’t you think we were getting absolutely roasted down the flanks for most of that game? We conceded 4 goals, could have been more, but fuck it...we won!

All of our fullbacks are OK, but there are better out there for sure. Could we afford them? Not sure!

But then Liverpool found Robertson for a bargain price, and TAA in their academy, so who knows.

 

[spids]

I suspect the WC, no pre-season and a persistent groin injury have all had a negative impact on Trippier’s performances. He’s never been the best defensively or aerially but he has a great engine and prior to this season was the best crosser and passer of the ball in his position in the league. Injuries to Aurier also mean that he’s not been rotated / rested as much as his position requires, especially considering the WC and no pre-season.

The thing that has crept into his game this year is being very weak in challenges and giving up / lack of desire. It started away at Wolves and was very evident first half on Weds. I suspect he started believing the ‘Burnley Beckham’ hype and would be in favour of letting him go (Napoli would be perfect), and getting in a more competitive replacement.

 

[wpmcg]

Again, was he a 'defensive liability' last night or not? Describe how he was if it's not about the 2 goals.

If it is about the 2 goals, why is all the fucking blame on one player yet again?

For the first goal, how is giving away a completely needless goalscoring opportunity (Rose) worse than what happened with DeLigt in the box?

Were you expecting Trippier to win it in the air? Was DeLigt 'his man'?

Spoiler: Here's Danny smashing it out for a corner under no pressure whatsoever...

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I agree with you about Rose there. Hugo was telling him he had time. I agree with you the first goal can't be blamed on Trippier....the ref, Danny Rose. But the second goal, although he was fouled, Trippier just needed to man up and put the ball out. Danny Rose wouldn't have wimped out like that.

 

[ardiles]

French newspaper L'Equipe gave him 3/10 in their match ratings.

Luckily it wasn’t from an Italian newspaper.

 

[yankspurs]

Again, was he a 'defensive liability' last night or not? Describe how he was if it's not about the 2 goals.

If it is about the 2 goals, why is all the fucking blame on one player yet again?

For the first goal, how is giving away a completely needless goalscoring opportunity (Rose) worse than what happened with DeLigt in the box?

Were you expecting Trippier to win it in the air? Was DeLigt 'his man'?

Spoiler: Here's Danny smashing it out for a corner under no pressure whatsoever...

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Oh my god.

I really admire your blind defense of Trippier but belittling another player who plays opposite of him while trying to defend him i do not.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Oh my god.

I really admire your blind defense of Trippier but belittling another player who plays opposite of him while trying to defend him i do not.

Oh shush Hank.

I admire your humour & batshit crazy posts, but belittling the whole fucking team in every match thread while calling them heroes 45 minutes later, I do not.

You fucking nutter.

 

[heelspurs]

For the first goal, how is giving away a completely needless goalscoring opportunity (Rose) worse than what happened with DeLigt in the box?

It's not. Tripps could have done better to impede De Ligt's run into the box (he wasn't there to defend him folks just hinder him getting a bead on the ball) but Danny Rose's play was very, very poor. Even Hugo was shouting that he had time. That is a lack of awareness and other qualities. I think the reason he did it was he would have had to control it with his right foot considering he was facing goal. But either way footballing ability is a reason that both sides of the backline need to be improved. And that included Tripps of course.

 

[spids]

It's not. Tripps could have done better to impede De Ligt's run into the box (he wasn't there to defend him folks just hinder him getting a bead on the ball) but Danny Rose's play was very, very poor. Even Hugo was shouting that he had time. That is a lack of awareness and other qualities. I think the reason he did it was he would have had to control it with his right foot considering he was facing goal. But either way footballing ability is a reason that both sides of the backline need to be improved. And that included Tripps of course.

Not sure Lloris actually said anything before Rose kicked it out. Anyway, if a defender is not sure putting it behind is defending 101, and what actually cost us in a previous game when Rose didn’t see someone behind him and we conceded a really soft goal when he let it go. Rose should have been aware no one was behind him but I’d rather he played safe. Same as playing to the whistle as a defender, don’t just stop expecting the ref to blow.

 

[Shadydan]

Anyone blaming Rose for the first goal despite it being a totally different phase of play doesn't understand football and it probably isn't worth debating with them.

 

[glospur]

Anyone blaming Rose for the first goal despite it being a totally different phase of play doesn't understand football and it probably isn't worth debating with them.

Haha yeah I laughed at that too. He can't know what's behind him, and there's almost certainly not enough time for a shout. It's also early in a CL semi final, and in those circumstances defenders should be mostly in safety first mode. 99 out of 100 players would do exactly as he did.

To be fair to Tripps though, I have absolutely no idea why he's marking De Ligt, but given he is, he should at least stick to his task. The way he just let him go was the sort of defending from a corner that you see on a Sunday from Dave who had 10 pints the night before.

Haha now I think about it, I've actually been in that exact situation before in Sunday League, where I just let a guy go from a corner because I had a momentary lapse in concentration (my name's not Dave btw), and he scored. We lost 1-0 too. Curious feeling when the loss is quite literally all your fault.

 

[Shadydan]

Haha yeah I laughed at that too. He can't know what's behind him, and there's almost certainly not enough time for a shout. It's also early in a CL semi final, and in those circumstances defenders should be mostly in safety first mode. 99 out of 100 players would do exactly as he did.

To be fair to Tripps though, I have absolutely no idea why he's marking De Ligt, but given he is, he should at least stick to his task. The way he just let him go was the sort of defending from a corner that you see on a Sunday from Dave who had 10 pints the night before.

Haha now I think about it, I've actually been in that exact situation before in Sunday League, where I just let a guy go from a corner because I had a momentary lapse in concentration (my name's not Dave btw), and he scored. We lost 1-0 too. Curious feeling when the loss is quite literally all your fault.

Trips did the same in the 1st leg, they got a corner and he picked up De Ligt. I don't blame the player though, I don't understand why he has been given the task to pick up or stay with their best header of the ball.

Imagine him being given the task of picking up Van Dijk.

 

[punkisback]

Trips did the same in the 1st leg, they got a corner and he picked up De Ligt. I don't blame the player though, I don't understand why he has been given the task to pick up or stay with their best header of the ball.

Imagine him being given the task of picking up Van Dijk.

Reminds me when we had O'Hara marking bendnter

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

It's been a pretty torrid season for Trippier but I just don't think he is defensively aware enough as a fullback in the bigger games and is too limited physically for the modern wing back, I think 10-15 years ago he would be playing Right mid and would put up very decent numbers as he is a good player going forward.

Seeing the way Liverpool's fullbacks are mostly what's good about their build up play hits home how much dynamism we lost in our play when the Walker/Rose partnership was disbanded and I would love to see us go back to that combo of quick, athletic full backs creating space for our attackers and for that reason I think Tripps time is most probably up with us, I wish him well and think he will do well somewhere else.

 

[Paolo10]

I agree with you about Rose there. Hugo was telling him he had time. I agree with you the first goal can't be blamed on Trippier....the ref, Danny Rose. But the second goal, although he was fouled, Trippier just needed to man up and put the ball out. Danny Rose wouldn't have wimped out like that.

He was fouled and didn't stop though (had to LOL at Jenas talking about being fucking hard though tbh), if he hadn't have only hesitated for a second and made more of a meal of it (like Ajax), then he might have gotten a freekick for it...as for putting the ball out, that's on Poch. You wonder why we give the ball away quite often in dangerous areas and arse about with it a fair bit too much (IMO) at the back?

It's because they are drilled to not risk losing possession above all things else. Personally I feel we should get rid more often, especially when Llorente/Kane are on the pitch. That's not going to change any time soon though, football philosophy and all that.

To be fair to Tripps though, I have absolutely no idea why he's marking de Ligt, but given he is, he should at least stick to his task. The way he just let him go was the sort of defending from a corner that you see on a Sunday from Dave who had 10 pints the night before.

It's blatantly obvious he wasn't there to man mark de Ligt though, he was there to disrupt his run as much as possible (which given the difference in statures wasn't ever going to be that much) before de Ligt was going to compete against our more capable in the air zonal defenders. You can even see when Jan hits the deck and then de Ligt scores that Trippier and Vertonghen are the ones (quite rightly, as it was a foul that lead to a clear advantage for the goal IMO) that are asking the referee.

As for him letting him go, no he didn't let him...there was a tussle before the corner came in and even though deLigt got free of Trippier, it was far from a free header, Alli was right there to compete and got beaten in the air...and he's only 1cm shorter than deLigt (which I'd assume was why he was there along with Toby, Jan, Sissoko and Wanyama).

Again, had a massive hand in the 2nd goal and also made a last man tackle that was crucial, I'd say both those outweigh the (IMO quite harshly) perceived errors over the course of the game.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

With reference to defending at the corner. We do miss Kane there. He heads the ball away numerous times when he is playing. Need him against VVD.