Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[dude573]

How about the Ref and VAR doing their jobs and not allowing the deliberate fouls on our Goalkeeper ?

Because as frustrating as it is they're aren't really fouls. Crowding the goalkeeper has existed for years and if you're subtle enough like Jack Harrison was the REF or VAR will rarely give it.

De Gea faced similar moments from corners when he first came to the league.

 

[TommyW]

How about the Ref and VAR doing their jobs and not allowing the deliberate fouls on our Goalkeeper ?

I don't think they are fouls. Contact doesn't always equal a foul. Sometimes you have to be stronger.

 

[gavspur]

My point of view, regarding the free kicks swinging in from deep, is if we’re going to play such a high line on them, then he needs to come and collect anything over the top in the area.

 

[Wig]

My point of view, regarding the free kicks swinging in from deep, is if we’re going to play such a high line on them, then he needs to come and collect anything over the top in the area.

Right. I know it was coming from across the goal at pace, but for Branthwaite to score the goal from just one yard out, I'm thinking surely Vic could have been quicker out to it to be first to the ball.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I don't think they are fouls. Contact doesn't always equal a foul. Sometimes you have to be stronger.

If you are impeding a player without attempting to play the ball - its a foul.

 

[Johnny J]

If you are impeding a player without attempting to play the ball - its a foul.

They were blatant fouls. I'm shocked that we're even discussing it. Thanks ref.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

If you are impeding a player without attempting to play the ball - its a foul.

There would be an insane amount of fouls given when players are shepherding the ball out for a corner or throw in if that was true.

Putting a man on the goalkeeper has been a valid tactic for at least as long as I've been alive.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

The difference before is that keepers would usually clear their box out leaving a knee or arm in to discourage a player from getting too close, now with VAR keepers can’t do that sort of stuff.

 

[Johnny J]

There would be an insane amount of fouls given when players are shepherding the ball out for a corner or throw in if that was true.

Putting a man on the goalkeeper has been a valid tactic for at least as long as I've been alive.

And contact on a keeper without trying to get the ball has always been a foul.

 

[rambu]

Just finished watching now and wonder why they didn’t keep crowding him in the 2nd half, as it was very effective and no foul called.

 

[Wick3d]

The difference before is that keepers would usually clear their box out leaving a knee or arm in to discourage a player from getting too close, now with VAR keepers can’t do that sort of stuff.

This is why you use your own player and push them into the attacker.

Admittedly, football is becoming less and less of a contact sport, and it varies from ref to ref, which is fucking frustrating. Today's game was very physical, and Oliver was letting a lot go, but another ref might be extremely fussy and call a foul for everything. There is zero consistency in officiating, which is the only consistent thing about referees.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

And contact on a keeper without trying to get the ball has always been a foul.

I don't think that's true.


But the logic from 'marking the keeper' in regards to the rules, is that a player can stand anywhere they want on the pitch, and they do not have to get out of your way.

If I'm stood still in the centre circle and a player runs straight in to me, it's not a foul.

There are far greater examples of players impeding others without any attempt to play the ball and it not being a foul.

A player ushering the ball out of play will back into his opponent with his arms out wide so they can't run around him. Its not a foul.

Players ushering the ball to the their own goalkeepers, obstructing a runner with no intention of playing the ball. Just blocking the opposition so their keeper can get there first. It's not a foul.

It's a frustrating goal to concede

But a very normal part of football for at least the past 25 years that I've been watching

 

[Pekoni]

There would be an insane amount of fouls given when players are shepherding the ball out for a corner or throw in if that was true.

Putting a man on the goalkeeper has been a valid tactic for at least as long as I've been alive.

There is a difference between putting a man on the goalie and putting a man to barge against the goalie.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

There is a difference between putting a man on the goalie and putting a man to barge against the goalie.

The player is allowed to stand his ground.

He doesn't have to move just because the opposition want to occupy the same space.

 

[Pekoni]

The player is allowed to stand his ground.

He doesn't have to move just because the opposition want to occupy the same space.

Yes, that's the first one I mentioned, which is allowed. Instead of that we've been seeing players straight up pushing and barging against the goalie, which is not allowed. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with having a guy standing around the goalie and being inconvenient to him, but it's not allowed to actively push the goalie tf out of the way lol.

 

[Johnny J]

The player is allowed to stand his ground.

He doesn't have to move just because the opposition want to occupy the same space.

But he didn't just stand his ground today. He barged and backed into Vicario.

 

[mil1lion]

How about the Ref and VAR doing their jobs and not allowing the deliberate fouls on our Goalkeeper ?

It's more down to the ref. Var doesn't really get involved in these. This is the biggest issue. It's like the ref is being lenient thinking var will help out after but var are not getting involved as they don't want to undermine the ref. I do feel it's all come about from the Burnley one. Var didn't get involved and ever since then they feel they can't now for any others.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Yes, that's the first one I mentioned, which is allowed. Instead of that we've been seeing players straight up pushing and barging against the goalie, which is not allowed. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with having a guy standing around the goalie and being inconvenient to him, but it's not allowed to actively push the goalie tf out of the way lol.

I don't think that's what happened today.

I think he braced himself at most.

We'd be livid if that goal was ruled out for us.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

But he didn't just stand his ground today. He barged and backed into Vicario.

If say that he and the ref would argue he just braced himself today.

Would be an incredibly soft foul to give in my opinion.

 

[marion52]

Crowding the goalie and actually pushing their back into him are different things.
The Everton player was doing it all the time and the ref did nothing.