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Stop saying he did that because he clearly didn't though.If say that he and the ref would argue he just braced himself today.
Would be an incredibly soft foul to give in my opinion.
Stop saying he did that because he clearly didn't though.If say that he and the ref would argue he just braced himself today.
Would be an incredibly soft foul to give in my opinion.
He didn't stand his ground. He moved into the keeper while he was in the air. If he just stops there it would have been fine. As soon as the ball is in the air and he moves into the keeper it becomes a foul. It's always been a soft one but it's always been given until more recently. It's like when a player goes up for a header and then the standing player backs in just a bit, it's a foul. If he doesn't back in and just stands his ground it's fine.The player is allowed to stand his ground.
He doesn't have to move just because the opposition want to occupy the same space.
Agree to disagree mateStop saying he did that because he clearly didn't though.
Have to agree to disagree mate.He didn't stand his ground. He moved into the keeper while he was in the air. If he just stops there it would have been fine. As soon as the ball is in the air and he moves into the keeper it becomes a foul. It's always been a soft one but it's always been given until more recently. It's like when a player goes up for a header and then the standing player backs in just a bit, it's a foul. If he doesn't back in and just stands his ground it's fine.
If say that he and the ref would argue he just braced himself today.
Would be an incredibly soft foul to give in my opinion.
Like I say it's a soft one which means people will have different opinions of it. One thing is certain it's not a clear foul or non foul, just open to interpretation. Some refs are more lenient than others. I think if Vicario makes more of it then it may be given. We see those soft fouls often give if the player throws himself down. I think the fact he gets the ball doesn't help. How often do we see defenders get a little nudge and exaggerate the fall to win the foul?Have to agree to disagree mate.
Think we're just going in circles at this point.
Sorry but this whole stronger thing reeks of something your da would say
The strongest person can be knocked off balance when jumping.
when Vic was jumping he got bundled into, many times. It happened at City and now it is being used against us.
Like I say it's a soft one which means people will have different opinions of it. One thing is certain it's not a clear foul or non foul, just open to interpretation. Some refs are more lenient than others. I think if Vicario makes more of it then it may be given. We see those soft fouls often give if the player throws himself down. I think the fact he gets the ball doesn't help. How often do we see defenders get a little nudge and exaggerate the fall to win the foul?
how many times have we seen players get backed into in the air and they go flying?Not really. It’s not like it was even a strong barge that led to the goal. We’re literally talking about being backed into.
I guess the issue then is it's offside as soon as they get a head on goal.I had a curious thought about standing your ground - could a team put 3 or 4 players around a keeper to completely box him in?
Granted you might be slight on numbers to actually attack the ball but it would be interesting to see what a ref makes of it.
Sean Dyche is taking notesI had a curious thought about standing your ground - could a team put 3 or 4 players around a keeper to completely box him in?
Granted you might be slight on numbers to actually attack the ball but it would be interesting to see what a ref makes of it.
how many times have we seen players get backed into in the air and they go flying?
They were doing it on purpose, you can't even say it was a mistake. It is impeding.
Yeah I think I agree. I think because Vic has been so great for us so far there’s a tendency to want to rush to his defence, but I think he needs to be stronger in these situations and he will learn. It’s his first season in the league.
I just don’t see the kind of contact on Vic being a foul and I actually think it makes the game worse when we start over protecting keepers.
There would be an insane amount of fouls given when players are shepherding the ball out for a corner or throw in if that was true.
Putting a man on the goalkeeper has been a valid tactic for at least as long as I've been alive.
Sure you can say he needs to be stronger but I don't think that's really the issue. I remember Gary Neville talking about how they used to approach games against teams like this at Man Utd, and it was play a very high line and keep possession. If you let a big brutal team have 20 corners and 50% possession then you're gonna concede from set pieces of course. I think the bigger issue was the team being a bit naive and trying to play the game too fast, at the tempo Everton wanted.
In those situations it would be nice if Vicario was a bit more dominant but that's not exactly the kind of keeper he is and to get the best out of him the whole team has to do its part. Who knows though maybe he'll hit the gym after this haha.