Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[guy]

Where's Romario when you need that in-depth serie a info

 

[robotsonic]

Hopefully today's the day

 

[Japhet]

Empoli 2021/22 : Back in serie A after winning promotion in 20/21

Goals scored - 50
Goals conceded - 70
League position -14
Only 2 other teams in league conceded more than them


Empoli 2022/23 :

Goals scored - 37
Goals conceded - 49
League position -14
Just 6 goals more conceded than top4 Milan.

So, its pretty clear, especially last season, Empoli were so defensive. They scored less & they conceded less to maintan same league spot.

To assess, How did Vicario play out from back, Why does Vicario push the shot into middle...does he come out for crosses ? All these are irrelevant questions.

When you have a team that only wants to defend at the back....and they defend in the box.... GK doesnt need to come out for crosses often as mostly it dealt by the 3CBs in front. GK will so many shots on goal, so there will be some shots spilling into center - its inevitable.

If you are going to assess Vicario at Empoli, then assess his shot stopping only. Everything else cannot be judged from his spell

Our scouts have made the call, lets hope they are right. We can only wait & see him in flesh. Then judge him fairly

Still needs coaching imo. Pushing shots out into dangerous positions will cause a lot of problems. On the Youtube reels there's a lot of stuff he could have dealt with better. A goalkeeper taking possession of the ball is as effective as a player winning a tackle in that it's a turnover. Pushing it back out into play has a 50% chance of that, at best.

 

[BENNO]

Still needs coaching imo. Pushing shots out into dangerous positions will cause a lot of problems. On the Youtube reels there's a lot of stuff he could have dealt with better. A goalkeeper taking possession of the ball is as effective as a player winning a tackle in that it's a turnover. Pushing it back out into play has a 50% chance of that, at best.

I saw the Youtube clips as well and yes, he did seem to push shots back into a dangerous area but.....could it be looked at in a different way, i.e the saves were far better than 'routine or expected', so although the ball is then pushed back into a dangerous area, the % of chance a goal is scored from the follow up is significantly less than the chance of the ball having gone into the net from the original shot ? (i hope i've made that clear enough !).

 

[dj_stu]

I saw the Youtube clips as well and yes, he did seem to push shots back into a dangerous area but.....could it be looked at in a different way, i.e the saves were far better than 'routine or expected', so although the ball is then pushed back into a dangerous area, the % of chance a goal is scored from the follow up is significantly less than the chance of the ball having gone into the net from the original shot ? (i hope i've made that clear enough !).

I know what you mean. To paraphrase Jack Nicklaus, "you concede 100% of shots on target that you don't save".

Make sure of the save first and a good GK coach should be able to improve the direction of parries. 26/27 is still a nice age for a goalie to make plenty of improvements.

 

[TimNiceButDim]

I saw the Youtube clips as well and yes, he did seem to push shots back into a dangerous area but.....could it be looked at in a different way, i.e the saves were far better than 'routine or expected', so although the ball is then pushed back into a dangerous area, the % of chance a goal is scored from the follow up is significantly less than the chance of the ball having gone into the net from the original shot ? (i hope i've made that clear enough !).

I also think we have to be conscious that they’re mostly highlights of his most impressive saves i.e. shots getting smashed in from all angles & distances which he managed to get a glove to.

One would assume that such a highly rated keeper isn’t knocking standard shots back in to play at such a regular rate.

 

[codspur]

I also think we have to be conscious that they’re mostly highlights of his most impressive saves i.e. shots getting smashed in from all angles & distances which he managed to get a glove to.

One would assume that such a highly rated keeper isn’t knocking standard shots back in to play at such a regular rate.

Was in Italy at the weekend and asked my Inter supporting mate about him and he seemed to think we are getting in before them as he had been identified as a replacement for Onana should he go to Utd or elsewhere. Said he is a good keeper.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I also think we have to be conscious that they’re mostly highlights of his most impressive saves i.e. shots getting smashed in from all angles & distances which he managed to get a glove to.

One would assume that such a highly rated keeper isn’t knocking standard shots back in to play at such a regular rate.

I would also hope our scouting and analytics teams are making their assessments from more than a few YouTube highlight reels…

 

[robotsonic]

Really don't get the overanalysis of a few saves on youtube versus the opinions of everyone that's watched him in Italy, which seems glowing. 100% you could pick a bunch of saves from the very best of keepers and even they're not dealing with 75% of shots perfectly. Nobody would.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

The more I read about him and listen to people within the game, especially Serie A experts, the more this seems like an absolute steal.

We’ve potentially got a world beater here.

 

[the yid]

I would have thought the likes of Romano would have been trigger finger happy today to tell us medical had started

 

[chas vs dave]

I would have thought the likes of Romano would have been trigger finger happy today to tell us medical had started

He's still got to arrive for his medical 3 times before he starts it.

 

[dj_stu]

For context re all the comments about parrying back into dangerous areas, the same could be said for at least two or three of these saves (and that's out of only ten). I think we'd agree Ederson isn't too bad a reference point.

 

[Timberwolf]

For context re all the comments about parrying back into dangerous areas, the same could be said for at least two or three of these saves (and that's out of only ten). I think we'd agree Ederson isn't too bad a reference point.

Yeah for all the plaudits he gets for his incredible passing, footwork, etc, Ederson actually concedes an awful lot of goals given how few chances City concede. I think he's a bit overrated, personally, and while he's perfect for City's style, he's nowhere near as well rounded as a keeper like Allison.

If you go by the stats, last season he conceded slightly more than expected (-1.7 goals). By those measures the biggest over-performers were Alisson and Leno (both +9 goals...amazing) followed by Raya (+5).

For reference last season Lloris was -6.9...pretty bad while Vicario was +2.9.

 

[yido-1989]

Really don't get the overanalysis of a few saves on youtube versus the opinions of everyone that's watched him in Italy, which seems glowing. 100% you could pick a bunch of saves from the very best of keepers and even they're not dealing with 75% of shots perfectly. Nobody would.

Your right, it’s like asking a fan who watches most premier league games about players we watch week in week out.

I’ve spoken with two Italians now, both juve fans who watch majority of seria A & they have only said good things about him, especially for the price we have paid/paying.

 

[worcestersauce]

The point about the parried back saves is that they were saves, most keepers wouldn't have made the saves in the first place.

 

[Japhet]

Really don't get the overanalysis of a few saves on youtube versus the opinions of everyone that's watched him in Italy, which seems glowing. 100% you could pick a bunch of saves from the very best of keepers and even they're not dealing with 75% of shots perfectly. Nobody would.

I don't think it's overanalysis. Just a bit of conversation. Modern keepers tend to do this anyway and it's often said that the newer balls swerve around a lot more than they used to. I guess we'll see for ourselves soon enough though.

 

[Nayim60yards]

Your right, it’s like asking a fan who watches most premier league fans about players we watch week in week out.

What kind of fan watches Premier league fans?

 

[Rosco1984]

What kind of fan watches Premier league fans?

a real fans fan

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Fantastic write up from an Empoli fan.