Player Watch Player Watch: Dejan Kulusevski

[Maxtremist]

If he's really happy at the club and keen to stay then we've got quite a lot of leverage. Especially if there aren't any other clubs making offers that appeal to Kulu.

What we're doing is a bit cheeky but also very typical Levy thing to do.

It's fully this. This feels like we're just asking to see if it's possible. Especially as it was never an obligation, just an option.

For all of 'Levy being Levy', the fact that we'd still have the option means we can afford to be cheeky and see if we can get a lower deal, knowing that we've always got the 35million deal to go back to.

If we had no option at all then that'd be different.

 

[brendanb50]

I get some of the whinging but you can see why the club might try and push Juve on price.

FWIW I still feel he’s great value, technically a very good player and lord knows we need more of those.

 

[he is you know!]

Levy probably trying to extend the loan period to push the payment down the line - a few million for the next couple of years loans and payment of the fee if we get loads of cash in.

Part of the agreement is payment over 5 years anyway so it's not that.

 

[Timberwolf]

It's fully this. This feels like we're just asking to see if it's possible. Especially as it was never an obligation, just an option.

For all of 'Levy being Levy', the fact that we'd still have the option means we can afford to be cheeky and see if we can get a lower deal, knowing that we've always got the 35million deal to go back to.

If we had no option at all then that'd be different.

Yeah it absolutely makes sense from a strategic/financial POV.

I just feel a bit bad for the player as Conte came out and essentially said "he is our player" when questioned about us making the deal permanent and Kulu's said numerous times how much he's loved his time at Spurs. He must've thought it was a done deal and now his future is hanging in the balance.

All's fair in love and football, but we do play silly buggers more than most clubs.

 

[he is you know!]

Where has this 2 week deadline come from?
Who has actually reported it?
Not 2 weeks ago Dan KP reported that all was going ahead.

There's a lot of "Tottenham didn't qualify for the CL, so all bets are off" reporting. However, no one is saying the obligation was contingent on qualifying for CL in both of his loan seasons. They seem to have forgotten we did the season before so surely that alone triggered it.

 

[thebenjamin]

Just loan him for another 2 years and amortise his value and sell him back to Juve for €35m.

 

[Maxtremist]

Where has this 2 week deadline come from?
Who has actually reported it?
Not 2 weeks ago Dan KP reported that all was going ahead.

There's a lot of "Tottenham didn't qualify for the CL, so all bets are off" reporting. However, no one is saying the obligation was contingent on qualifying for CL in both of his loan seasons. They seem to have forgotten we did the season before so surely that alone triggered it.

I believe the 2 weeks is coming from the fact that his (and most contracts) end at the end of June. So our loan is till then thus if we want to trigger the option it'd have to be before then. From July 1st, the loan ends and thus we'd have to do a new negotiation from scratch with no option.

So not that we can't get him after 2 weeks, but our 35mil option expires in 2 weeks when the loan ends.

 

[Maxtremist]

Yeah it absolutely makes sense from a strategic/financial POV.

I just feel a bit bad for the player as Conte came out and essentially said "he is our player" when questioned about us making the deal permanent and Kulu's said numerous times how much he's loved his time at Spurs. He must've thought it was a done deal and now his future is hanging in the balance.

All's fair in love and football, but we do play silly buggers more than most clubs.

For sure. And obviously we don't know the conversations going on behind the scenes or what has been said to Kulu or whatever. There's every chance we've said we'll get it sorted, we're just gonna try and ask this first but if that fails we'll go back to plan A. Overall I don't think we're in panic mode yet or anywhere close to it. Just doing a cheeky ask to see if it's an option.

 

[SDogg]

Where has this 2 week deadline come from?
Who has actually reported it?
Not 2 weeks ago Dan KP reported that all was going ahead.

There's a lot of "Tottenham didn't qualify for the CL, so all bets are off" reporting. However, no one is saying the obligation was contingent on qualifying for CL in both of his loan seasons. They seem to have forgotten we did the season before so surely that alone triggered it.

It was contingent on us qualifying for CL this season just gone. First season was irrelevant

 

[Trix]

It's fully this. This feels like we're just asking to see if it's possible. Especially as it was never an obligation, just an option.

For all of 'Levy being Levy', the fact that we'd still have the option means we can afford to be cheeky and see if we can get a lower deal, knowing that we've always got the 35million deal to go back to.

If we had no option at all then that'd be different.

Thing is it's not just a case of being cheeky and asking, because if it were, Juve would certainly just say no. Juve are in a financial mess and need every penny they can and quickl. So we are clearly trying to leverage the fact Kulu wants to stay, they can't afford take him back and the time scale involved.

Now it's, Juve so fuck em, because it's what they deserve. However next time we want to do business with them they'll be another club who have no interest in being cooperative.

 

[Tucker]

Who knows maybe we’ll try and do some kind of double dip for Bremer as part of the deal. They need to sell after all.

 

[Scot-Spur]

Who knows maybe we’ll try and do some kind of double dip for Bremer as part of the deal. They need to sell after all.

Or Chiesa…..

 

[Tucker]

Or Chiesa…..

I’m always dubious about the prospect of Italian stars leaving Serie A. They tend to stay at home as they’re a,bitcoins are to play for and be successful at the giants in Italy. Also has he recovered well from that nasty injury?

 

[felmani26]

Thing is it's not just a case of being cheeky and asking, because if it were, Juve would certainly just say no. Juve are in a financial mess and need every penny they can and quickl. So we are clearly trying to leverage the fact Kulu wants to stay, they can't afford take him back and the time scale involved.

Now it's, Juve so fuck em, because it's what they deserve. However next time we want to do business with them they'll be another club who have no interest in being cooperative.

Exactly this.

Levy's continued and protracted penny pinching reputation hurts our negotiating position going forward and all for relatively short term gain as opposed to looking at the bigger picture and how we wish to conduct business with our contemporaries.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Thing is it's not just a case of being cheeky and asking, because if it were, Juve would certainly just say no. Juve are in a financial mess and need every penny they can and quickl. So we are clearly trying to leverage the fact Kulu wants to stay, they can't afford take him back and the time scale involved.

Now it's, Juve so fuck em, because it's what they deserve. However next time we want to do business with them they'll be another club who have no interest in being cooperative.

I read this morning they are cancelling Alex Sandro and Cuadrado’s contracts. They really are in a lot of trouble financially, I don’t think it will be enough just to sell Vlahović. Be nice if we managed to take advantage and get Chiesa and Soule off them for cheap. But like you say, more likely we piss them off to the point they no longer want to do business with us in the future.

 

[felmani26]

I read this morning they are cancelling Alex Sandro and Cuadrado’s contracts. They really are in a lot of trouble financially, I don’t think it will be enough just to sell Vlahović. Be nice if we managed to take advantage and get Chiesa and Soule off them for cheap. But like you say, more likely we piss them off to the point they no longer want to do business with us in the future.

I wonder if we would potentially revisit looking at Bremer again?

Lazy link granted but a position of particular need for us coupled with those good folk at CAA Base representing him.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

This should get done and it’ll be interesting how he’ll bounce back after a pretty poor campaign (like most others). He obviously came back from injury and didn’t quite look the same but I think he also missed playing with Doherty. Deki struggled in large part because he finds it tough to go past the opponent on the outside. His lack of burst really makes it tough but with Doherty making different runs he was able to find a little extra space to get going or to play the outball.

Kulusevski when he is already moving is hard to stop, we saw defenders bounce off him in 21/22. So hopefully under Ange we’ll see a lot more movement and options to pass out of the tighter defending or the show to the outside which will allow him to dictate more. I’m positive because we know the player he can be and we need him at his best because we lack creativity. He plus some clever balls which I really think can work well in Ange style football.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I wonder if we would potentially revisit looking at Bremer again?

Lazy link granted but a position of particular need for us coupled with those good folk at CAA Base representing him.

Without derailing the thread too much I think there’s more of a personal issue with him. I seem to remember reading his parter was hoping to get Italian citizenship and needed to live there a few more years. Or something to that effect. Essentially he doesn’t particularly want to leave the country at the moment. Maybe that’s changed, not sure, but I’d be surprised if it had.

 

[felmani26]

Without derailing the thread too much I think there’s more of a personal issue with him. I seem to remember reading his parter was hoping to get Italian citizenship and needed to live there a few more years. Or something to that effect. Essentially he doesn’t particularly want to leave the country at the moment. Maybe that’s changed, not sure, but I’d be surprised if it had.

Ah yes, I do recall now the visa issues.

Like you say though, for another thread if a credible link ever arises.

 

[Tucker]

Without derailing the thread too much I think there’s more of a personal issue with him. I seem to remember reading his parter was hoping to get Italian citizenship and needed to live there a few more years. Or something to that effect. Essentially he doesn’t particularly want to leave the country at the moment. Maybe that’s changed, not sure, but I’d be surprised if it had.

I might be remembering wrong, but I think she just needed another 12 months to gain Italian nationality. I’ve no idea if that’s been done though, or even if I’m right.

I’ll be back tomorrow with more half remembered insights.