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Do you genuinely think that I am suggesting this as a complete solution to our issues ?I really don’t think that would make much of a difference.
Do you genuinely think that I am suggesting this as a complete solution to our issues ?I really don’t think that would make much of a difference.
Keane AND Scholes both missed the game IIRC so they did it without their leader And first choice CM pairing!Prime example United's win in 1999 at the Nou Camp. Where was their leader of men...suspended. Yet the mentality of that club to never give up until the last minute was engrained.
It's like Liverpool reaching and Winning European finals during periods of having bang average teams. There is a mentality in that club of winning. Does it always happen of course not but the mentality of our club is fucking shite which was summed up in the CL final. We were just grateful to be there.
I agree and don’t think there’s any more to it than the following.This might warrant a different thread and conversation but here I am...
Much of the first 11 yesterday has been at the club for years. They contributed to the sacking of Poch and very likely will bring Mourinho's reign to an end at some point. I know most of us wouldn't put this 11 down as our best team, but it's pretty staggering that we are fielding the same team over so many seasons in a pretty large volume of games.
If we are going to interrogate our playing staff, this is where to start.
But this is where I'll go a bit off-topic. You have to then bring into question our transfer committee. If the players lack desire, then surely it comes down to bad player recruitment and those who make the transfer decisions need to come under scrutiny.
This is where my argument turns to the wider club culture and atmosphere debate.
I have no doubt that Levy wants the best for the club and no one can criticise his off the field achievements.
BUT he is the man who hires the manager, puts together the executive team and transfer committee. He seems to live amongst the players and staff day to today if the Amazon documentary is of true colour and ultimately all of what is happening/has happened is on his watch.
In my view, he needs to address matters at the very top before making a decision on Mourhino and a possible player clear out, else we're in danger of making the same mistakes and setting off a new cycle of disappointment.
Happy to be challenged on my thinking
No but I think it would make such a little difference that it’s not really worth mentioning.Do you genuinely think that I am suggesting this as a complete solution to our issues ?
I think it's clear that Levy took his eye off the ball with the stadium build. For whatever reason we decided not to freshen up the squad even though it was clear we needed to. Levy then took another punt that the squad WAS good enough and that a proven winner(TM) in Jose could take that extra step.This might warrant a different thread and conversation but here I am...
Much of the first 11 yesterday has been at the club for years. They contributed to the sacking of Poch and very likely will bring Mourinho's reign to an end at some point. I know most of us wouldn't put this 11 down as our best team, but it's pretty staggering that we are fielding the same team over so many seasons in a pretty large volume of games.
If we are going to interrogate our playing staff, this is where to start.
But this is where I'll go a bit off-topic. You have to then bring into question our transfer committee. If the players lack desire, then surely it comes down to bad player recruitment and those who make the transfer decisions need to come under scrutiny.
This is where my argument turns to the wider club culture and atmosphere debate.
I have no doubt that Levy wants the best for the club and no one can criticise his off the field achievements.
BUT he is the man who hires the manager, puts together the executive team and transfer committee. He seems to live amongst the players and staff day to today if the Amazon documentary is of true colour and ultimately all of what is happening/has happened is on his watch.
In my view, he needs to address matters at the very top before making a decision on Mourhino and a possible player clear out, else we're in danger of making the same mistakes and setting off a new cycle of disappointment.
Happy to be challenged on my thinking
Ah OK ,so you think we are effectively captained then .We disagree.No but I think it would make such a little difference that it’s not really worth mentioning.
We need to lose the following:
Doherty £10m
Dier £20m
Sanchez £25m
Hugo £7m
Sissoko £10m
Winks £20m
Bergwin £20m
Moura £15m
£127
Buy:
Vestergaard £15m
Varane £45m
Hakimi £35m
Pope £20m
Sabitzer £30m
Ings £25m
£160m
Spend £33m and that is a very decent team. Get rid of Jose and bring in Nagelsmann or Rodgers
Sure, no problem with a disagreement.Ah OK ,so you think we are effectively captained then .We disagree.
Lol, we haven’t got a pot to piss in. It’ll be sell and replace with the youth team.We need to lose the following:
Doherty £10m
Dier £20m
Sanchez £25m
Hugo £7m
Sissoko £10m
Winks £20m
Bergwin £20m
Moura £15m
£127
Buy:
Vestergaard £15m
Varane £45m
Hakimi £35m
Pope £20m
Sabitzer £30m
Ings £25m
£160m
Spend £33m and that is a very decent team. Get rid of Jose and bring in Nagelsmann or Rodgers
We'd probably still bugger it up on that!Its a shame this isn't Football Manager
Disagree. If you look at our spending over the last 3 windows, previous to this January, we have clearly spent. In fact, bigger than ever before and not relying on sales.Lol, we haven’t got a pot to piss in. It’ll be sell and replace with the youth team.
The challenge with Poch seemed to be that he wanted a number 1 target or nothing at all. Nice in theory but no team always gets their number 1 target.We are at a cross roads, you either totally back Jose and let him clear out all the poison and give him a lot of money to rebuild.
Or the cheap option, sack him and see if another manager can get a tune out of them.
Poch couldn't anymore.
Jose can't now.
Will anyone else manage it? I am not so sure anymore.
The answer was to give Poch the money to rebuild but that is gone now.
I was speaking to a sporting director a while back and he told me that as an ex player, he would often sit and eat with players and have a very open friendly relationship with them. But he soon realised he made a mistake because certain players were not listening to him when he had to get serious.This might warrant a different thread and conversation but here I am...
Much of the first 11 yesterday has been at the club for years. They contributed to the sacking of Poch and very likely will bring Mourinho's reign to an end at some point. I know most of us wouldn't put this 11 down as our best team, but it's pretty staggering that we are fielding the same team over so many seasons in a pretty large volume of games.
If we are going to interrogate our playing staff, this is where to start.
But this is where I'll go a bit off-topic. You have to then bring into question our transfer committee. If the players lack desire, then surely it comes down to bad player recruitment and those who make the transfer decisions need to come under scrutiny.
This is where my argument turns to the wider club culture and atmosphere debate.
I have no doubt that Levy wants the best for the club and no one can criticise his off the field achievements.
BUT he is the man who hires the manager, puts together the executive team and transfer committee. He seems to live amongst the players and staff day to today if the Amazon documentary is of true colour and ultimately all of what is happening/has happened is on his watch.
In my view, he needs to address matters at the very top before making a decision on Mourhino and a possible player clear out, else we're in danger of making the same mistakes and setting off a new cycle of disappointment.
Happy to be challenged on my thinking
For me, The other difference between the last two managers was the ability of Poch to develop younger players (Dele, Winks, Kane etc).We are at a cross roads, you either totally back Jose and let him clear out all the poison and give him a lot of money to rebuild.
Or the cheap option, sack him and see if another manager can get a tune out of them.
Poch couldn't anymore.
Jose can't now.
Will anyone else manage it? I am not so sure anymore.
The answer was to give Poch the money to rebuild but that is gone now.
I'm not sure Kane will stick around mate after this season after all what is the club going to achieve it's a total mess.I still laugh at Arsenal. They're welcome to the FA Cup. Top 4 is where it's at. Every Arsenal fan I know would give up their last 3 FA cups to be back in the CL. I wouldn't change our last 10 years for theirs despite them winning 2 FA Cups. They're in a terrible mess financially because of paying CL wages whilst being out of it despite winning 'trophies'.
Top 4 is a trophy. It's hard to accept I know. But it is. Top 4 is worth more than any FA or LC trophy. It's where all the money is, where the best teams and players are or want to be. We're moving ever closer to a European league. I hate the idea myself but it's where the future of football is moving. Daniel Levy/ the board are not interested in FA Cups. They want top 4, more TV revenue, more club exposure, more money for naming rights.
What is really worrying is the fact we've been in the CL for a few years now and actually got to a final and the decline from there is frightening. We should have grown so much from there. Those 2 transfer windows where we didn't buy anyone is the result of where we are now. The implication of no CL football is dire.
If we win the FA cup and LC next season and finish outside the top 4, Harry Kane won't stay. He'll go where there's CL football. The implications of being without CL football is huge. The longer we're out of it, the harder it will be to get back in. Winning an FA cup isn't going to help at all. Just ask Arsenal fans.
I was speaking to a sporting director a while back and he told me that as an ex player, he would often sit and eat with players and have a very open friendly relationship with them. But he soon realised he made a mistake because certain players were not listening to him when he had to get serious.
He made it sure that he ate at a different time to the players and his office area became off limits for players - they have to go to the coach first. He would then limit the time of seeing players to only observing training and adding comments to keep them motivated, as well as resolving issues.
I don't know how Levy behaves with players and if players become friendly with him but from AON it's highly likely that they strike up enough conversation for the players to get comfortable with him.
I feel that there's no one to fear within the club. Danny Rose swanning around with an attitude, asking Levy what's going on with transfers whilst he's sat eating his breakfast.
Imagine doing that in your line of work.
Not saying the players need to live in fear but it's clear some have become comfortable with their environment and are probably not comcerned with pissing off the boss.
Whilst I think that might be a little ambitious, I don't think that many will argue with most of the players on the list.We need to lose the following:
Doherty £10m
Dier £20m
Sanchez £25m
Hugo £7m
Sissoko £10m
Winks £20m
Bergwin £20m
Moura £15m
£127
Buy:
Vestergaard £15m
Varane £45m
Hakimi £35m
Pope £20m
Sabitzer £30m
Ings £25m
£160m
Spend £33m and that is a very decent team. Get rid of Jose and bring in Nagelsmann or Rodgers
Its a shame this isn't Football Manager