Our players lack desire

[VoteMe4Prez]

It’s almost as if we need a painful rebuild.....no where have a heard that before??

Is it going to be more painful than what we witnessed tonight? Because if it is I don't know if I can cope with what is coming.

 

[muppetman]

None of this has anything to do with desire or heart or determination so I'm not sure how its relevant.

Because even the most willing soldier needs to believe that the war is winnable. They have to believe there is a plan that will work - that's what gives desire and heart surely?

 

[spurs mental]

Because even the most willing soldier needs to believe that the war is winnable. They have to believe there is a plan that will work - that's what gives desire and heart surely?

100k plus a week should be enough motivation for anyone.

 

[muppetman]

100k plus a week should be enough motivation for anyone.

That's a really lazy reply and assumes everyone is motivated by money but I can imagine you're hurting so will leave this for now.

 

[onthetwo]

Summed up nicely by our Captain.

”It's a disgrace," he told BT Sport. "I hope everyone in the changing room feels responsible. The taste of the defeat is more than painful and we are all responsible.
"We are a club full of ambition but the team at the moment is a reflection of what is going on in the club. Lack of basics, lack of fundamentals. Mentally we should be stronger, more competitive.
"At this level, when you are not ready, you pay - and if you don't respect the opponent, it's punished. The blame is on all the team, all the club. We are guilty.
"The way we play is just not enough. One thing is to come in front of the camera and say 'I'm ambitious'. The other is to show it every day. To behave as a team is the most difficult thing in football.
"If you follow the team only when you are in the starting XI, that can be a big problem and today is the consequence of that.
"We had great moments in the past because we could trust the togetherness in the team. Today I am not sure about that."

 

[cabinfever]

Any of you watch the Son documentary. There's no way his dad will let him stay at Spurs for another season without champions league. He has 2 years left on his contract. He will ask Levy for a move or, more the the point, won't sign a new contract.

Kane will probably stay one more season to see how it pans out but then he is down to 2 years.

The fact that he has stopped negotiations on a new contract tells its own story!!

 

[Gilzeanking]

I watch a game like this ..or the Fulham game and I look at some oppo players . On low wages bought for low transfer fees...but many play simply brilliantly . How do clubs like these source this talent and why is that so hard for us to do that ?

We only hear about potential new Spurs signings when they are doing well in a major league...and commanding high transfer fees .It just looks like we can't access outstanding players from other than obvious sources .

Scouting team is the first thing needing a revamp imo

 

[hellava_tough]

Group dynamics are interesting.

I remember listening to a Navy SEAL on the Joe Rogan podcast about SEAL teams going 'bad', so to speak.

He was saying that you can have the best candidates for selection, the best training and support, years of experience and hard work, but if poor habits creep in and there is a lack of leadership or oversight, then the best of the best can go rotten pretty quickly.

At that point, the team is broken up and the individuals placed in different teams or elsewhere in the navy.

There's never any remedy for the wayward team; you just have to break them up.

Incidentally, that's why refreshing a football squad every season isn't a luxury, it's a necessity. You've got to keep that enthusiasm and hunger in the group, otherwise it goes 'bad'.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

This might sound naive but I’d be tempted to exile the disruptive players (loans, sales, reserves) and promote the most promising youth players. Get three or four 18-20 year olds in the squad; at least they’d bring energy and commitment

 

[spursfan77]

Summed up nicely by our Captain.

”It's a disgrace," he told BT Sport. "I hope everyone in the changing room feels responsible. The taste of the defeat is more than painful and we are all responsible.
"We are a club full of ambition but the team at the moment is a reflection of what is going on in the club. Lack of basics, lack of fundamentals. Mentally we should be stronger, more competitive.
"At this level, when you are not ready, you pay - and if you don't respect the opponent, it's punished. The blame is on all the team, all the club. We are guilty.
"The way we play is just not enough. One thing is to come in front of the camera and say 'I'm ambitious'. The other is to show it every day. To behave as a team is the most difficult thing in football.
"If you follow the team only when you are in the starting XI, that can be a big problem and today is the consequence of that.
"We had great moments in the past because we could trust the togetherness in the team. Today I am not sure about that."

I read that thinking it was Kane saying it, not Lloris and thought, shit, he’s off.

I’m certain Sissoko being a leader in the dressing room is behind some of this. Mourinho was as pissed off and shocked about that as we were.

 

[Monkey boy]

This might sound naive but I’d be tempted to exile the disruptive players (loans, sales, reserves) and promote the most promising youth players. Get three or four 18-20 year olds in the squad; at least they’d bring energy and commitment

This is it, youd probably accept that the quality is not likely there as youd know that just being on that pitch wearing a spurs shirt means everything to them rather than the likes of Sissoko, Dier and Dele who to say are just going through the motions is probably being kind to them (sissokos part in that second goal is borderline criminal).

Ive left Winks out of the above list as hes the one im most disappointed with. He once was one of those 18 year olds busting a gut to get on the pitch and smiling from ear to ear whenever he did. It seems like hes now forgotten how that feels and his doing his best to force himself out of the club he supposedly dearly loves.

 

[nico97531]

Because even the most willing soldier needs to believe that the war is winnable. They have to believe there is a plan that will work - that's what gives desire and heart surely?

To have Desire and heart is trying your best against the odds, not fighting when only when they think it’s winnable.

 

[Wizzy77]

After Lloris interview, "our players lacked desire" disintergrated into something worse..."our players lacked professionalism"...

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

This might sound naive but I’d be tempted to exile the disruptive players (loans, sales, reserves) and promote the most promising youth players. Get three or four 18-20 year olds in the squad; at least they’d bring energy and commitment

We should be doing this regardless of our current predicament. I would go as far as to say 6-7 players should be from our academy, but obviously a few would be on loan so 3-4 for the first team.

 

[Shadydan]

People say that Jose is lucky that no fans are in the stadium which is true but some of these players would be getting it in the neck too.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

This might sound naive but I’d be tempted to exile the disruptive players (loans, sales, reserves) and promote the most promising youth players. Get three or four 18-20 year olds in the squad; at least they’d bring energy and commitment

This.

Something like Arsenal are doing with both the younger players and Arteta.

 

[Colston]

I watch a game like this ..or the Fulham game and I look at some oppo players . On low wages bought for low transfer fees...but many play simply brilliantly . How do clubs like these source this talent and why is that so hard for us to do that ?

We only hear about potential new Spurs signings when they are doing well in a major league...and commanding high transfer fees .It just looks like we can't access outstanding players from other than obvious sources .

Scouting team is the first thing needing a revamp imo

So in the summer you would have wanted to sell players we all thought were better than what Fulham bought so we could buy Fulham's targets?

By the way I absolutely agree on revamping the scouting team, my only problem with your argument is that without the gift of hindsight it would have been one of the worst suggestions I read last summer.

 

[riggi]

I really struggle with the concept of motivation in the dressing room. I understand the phycology of it to a certain degree but there comes a point where as a professional footballer at the top of your profession, you should be able to kick into gear.

If the players need motivation to not lose the game last night or to put in a shift in a NLD then I’m at a loss quite frankly.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I really struggle with the concept of motivation in the dressing room. I understand the phycology of it to a certain degree but there comes a point where as a professional footballer at the top of your profession, you should be able to to kick into gear.

If the players need motivation to not lose the game last night or to put in a shift in a NLD then I’m at a loss quite frankly.

And how that motivation needs to come solely from the manager baffles me. I guess 100+ thousand pounds a week isn't enough to simply do your job properly.

And to those who are going to say money isn't the only motivation, that's not what I am saying. But the world revolves around it. I get paid a miniscule amount compared to these guys, and my manager has never had to "motivate" me to do a proper job.

We can lose games but we should be showing up for them. It's literally the bare minimum of being a professional footballer.

 

[Stamford]

ITs the same shit under a different manager. They got Poch sacked and then cried about it for weeks and now they're doing the same again. Yes the manager has to go but we absolutely have to get rid of the likes of Winks, Dele etc who at the first sign of a fight down tools.