Next Manager Watch

[Frank Blank]

This poll reflects what's going on at the BBC website.

FWIW, I've gone for Nagelsman.

 

[The Scarecrow]

He was daft when appointing Nuno out of panic.

So in 22 years, he's been daft on one occasion. Point well proven.

 

[leray]

People ignoring the elephant in the room, if you’re a top manager with ambition wtf would you come to Tottenham? It’s almost guaranteed you’ll leave broken with your record smeared. It truly is a shit show. Let’s face it, the likes of Nagelsmann coming will be dependent on two things, he doesn’t get an offer from a genuinely ambitious club (so we’ll be waiting all summer on that) and we offer enough salary to tempt him in August, even then we know how it ends…

because it pays well

 

[Darth Vega]

I've said 4/5 times over the last several weeks that it won't be Poch. So people either miss the posts or just choose to ignore them. Unless there is a massive turnaround from our side and his, he isn't coming back yet. I'm still under the impression that Madrid is his most likely destination but obviously the sacking of Nagelsmann and inevitable sacking of Galtier will then lead to change in several clubs. Levy always finds problems with each candidate, even with Nagelsmann there are big question marks from some within.

Poch isn't coming back from what I've been told consistently over the last month or so. If something changes and I am made to look silly then ok, but I don't see that happening.

It's been mentioned by others already, but the lack of plan again is embarassing and laughable. I was told months ago and passed on behind the scenes that Conte would he gone (likely before the end of the season), so this isn't new news to the club!!!!

I'm as Levy out as they come but mid-season these things are incredibly frantic. For example, we couldn't have planned for Nagelsmann because we couldn't have predicted he'd be sacked in March, but now he's available he's apparently the top target, which seems fair to me. Equally, a lot of the manager's we've been linked to are all in jobs, and it sounds like one of the ones that wasn't in Tuchel we did try and go for. Enrique is wanted by Paratici and he likely won't be here for very long and Poch we don't want, so there aren't any obvious candidates to come in right this second; again, I have zero love for Levy whatsoever but I'm not sure what else he was supposed to do.

With that said, the biggest mistake as I see it is not sacking Conte in January if we knew he wasn't planning on committing. The uncertainty looming over his future has had an impact on everything and it's equally silly to have backed him with a £50M player knowing he'd be off in a few months. Presumably we thought top four was still possible with him in charge and there wasn't an obvious candidate (I guess beyond Tuchel?) to come in at that point, but he should've gone after the World Cup break.

 

[parj]

If he was really wanted and coming back it would have been done by now.

Why would Poch accept coming back mid-season, even if he really wanted it? His half season at PSG where he didn't win the title is held against him. I totally get managers not wanting jobs mid-season now. Imagine if Poch came back now and everyone wins their games in hand over us, Poch will get the blame! No win situation for any manager.

I'm actually glad that we haven't appointed the manager yet. Get the right manager in and let them start at end of season. Better to risk the season getting ruined than a new manager dealing with the fallout of not getting top 4.

 

[mil1lion]

It does make sense to give ourselves time to interview managers and put a proper plan in place. It's just a shame the ones putting the plan in place are clueless. I like the sound of Nagelsmann but we do need to give it some proper consideration. He only came up as an option last week. We need to hear what their plans are and decide which manager is the right fit for us. I look forward to us running around like headless chickens again though.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

because it pays well

That was one of my points, wouldn’t that be a concern that we’re more inclined to attract someone following the money rather than having genuine ambition?

 

[AngryBob]

Once again, this feels like it was all for nothing. We'll be back to where we were two years ago, another summer and season of 'assessment' when I'm sure the new mug will be pressured to reconsider the trash we have out on loan, as well as another reprieve for the dross we have in the first team, one or two token/opportunistic signings to keep us 'happy'.

Still, with the bloated structure we have at the club, can any incoming manager possibly imagine they could imprint their vision on this team? I think that's what we want, but 100% sure that's not what Levy wants, and so whoever takes the job will be expected to work within the parameters Levy and the board set out, the very parameters that have kneecapped us for the last 20 years even when some glimmer of glory presents itself. We inevitably fail by a margin that seems self-inflicted and predictable. I feel we have a reputation and setup that will hamper or put off any up-and-coming manager looking for a project, as the project will always be on Levy's terms until it goes tits up, and then its the manager's fault and I think people will be put off, well until the cheque book comes out, but then that's the wrong starting point to build something off anyway.

It just feels like, as a club, we have given up on even trying to be winners. We've accepted our lot and our position in the food chain, happy to mill about nibbling at the top four year after year with no real ambition to do anything more. Spursy.

(Apologies, total caffeine-induced rant)

 

[parj]

Wait on Nagelsmann (which we will) and we miss out , simple as that.

We will get the manager that Real don't want. It will likely be between Poch and Nagelsmann.

 

[The Scarecrow]

People ignoring the elephant in the room, if you’re a top manager with ambition wtf would you come to Tottenham? It’s almost guaranteed you’ll leave broken with your record smeared. It truly is a shit show. Let’s face it, the likes of Nagelsmann coming will be dependent on two things, he doesn’t get an offer from a genuinely ambitious club (so we’ll be waiting all summer on that) and we offer enough salary to tempt him in August, even then we know how it ends…

Did Poch leave broken with his record smeared?

 

[chas vs dave]

People ignoring the elephant in the room, if you’re a top manager with ambition wtf would you come to Tottenham? It’s almost guaranteed you’ll leave broken with your record smeared. It truly is a shit show. Let’s face it, the likes of Nagelsmann coming will be dependent on two things, he doesn’t get an offer from a genuinely ambitious club (so we’ll be waiting all summer on that) and we offer enough salary to tempt him in August, even then we know how it ends…

Why aren't spurs ambitious? Because we have to spend what we earn?

Genuine question.

Do you think any manager who can innovate wouldn't think there a possibility for success?

If so, then why bother?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

So my assumption is, Gallardo to PSG, Poch to Madrid, Nagelsmann to us once all of the above is resolved.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

So my assumption is, Gallardo to PSG, Poch to Madrid, Nagelsmann to us once all of the above is resolved.

 

[14/04/91]

The only problem I see with that is that Nagelsman wouldn't have been on that list but once he came available had to be included, imagine the rumpus on here if Levy came out and said we already have our list and aren't willing to be diverted from that for Nagelsman, this place would go up the bloody wall.
I'd prefer sooner rather than later but just because it all went tits up once it doesn't mean taking care to make your decision is wrong.

Agreed. Nagelsman (and anyone else attractive that becomes available) should be added to the list. I guess my point was we should be more proactive than reactive; I don't see any benefit in waiting til summer to start the process. Sure, one or two of the candidates may want to see where we end up before making a decision but conversations can still be had.

 

[Harrier]

I've said 4/5 times over the last several weeks that it won't be Poch. So people either miss the posts or just choose to ignore them. Unless there is a massive turnaround from our side and his, he isn't coming back yet. I'm still under the impression that Madrid is his most likely destination but obviously the sacking of Nagelsmann and inevitable sacking of Galtier will then lead to change in several clubs. Levy always finds problems with each candidate, even with Nagelsmann there are big question marks from some within.

Poch isn't coming back from what I've been told consistently over the last month or so. If something changes and I am made to look silly then ok, but I don't see that happening.

It's been mentioned by others already, but the lack of plan again is embarassing and laughable. I was told months ago and passed on behind the scenes that Conte would he gone (likely before the end of the season), so this isn't new news to the club!!!!

If no Poch, then I hope we see Nagelsmann at the next home game being schmoozed by the top brass.

 

[Stavrogin]

Are they splintering in different directions? What did I miss?

I don't understand this. Who in the board has differing opinions and why does it matter?

Even if someone on the transfer committee wanted a different manager, why does it matter?

If one director wants to hire his friend Harry Redknapp, why does that matter? Are they in control of who we buy and how we support the manager? Would they start whispering in Levy's ear when things go badly?

This new line of attack is very strange and mysterious

 

[Ghost Hardware]

If Poch is Madrid bound that still leaves Nagelsmann and Gallardo, two managers who are ‘’progressive’’, have in the past worked on budgets and play attacking football, the so called project manager.

It’s not normal to have Poch, Naglesmann and Gallardo all out of work, Madrid can’t hire all 3, surely the club can get at least one of them. Most fans are desperate for positive football again and a long term manager who plays that.

I don’t understand this club, we make things harder for ourselves.

Literally this. I do think there are certainly some concerns re JN and I do think JN is being overhyped but he’s still a very exciting tactical manager. I really don’t see why we would need to look beyond those three and if Poch is set on RM, which I think he is, then even a choice of Gallardo or JN is a seriously fantastic place to be in. Poch wouldn’t even be my top pick at the moment anyway. I think even if it was summer i would still put them at the very top.

It really really shouldn’t be that hard, meet both, talk to them about their ideas and hire the one you feel suits the club better and can work within whatever parameters you have set out. I honestly don’t get why we are fucking about so much.

 

[Stoof]

Legally speaking, I don't see why there would be any issue with tieing up Nagelsmann now (keeping the NEED NEW MANAGER NOW people happy) with a start date in July (keeping the NO COMPO brigade also happy).

Unless signing an agreement now - to take effect in the future/"date to be agreed between the parties in the next [X] months", like a fair swathe of all employment contracts - would trigger that compo.

Need to see the docs obvs. But anyway. Nothing more from me, back to the studio.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Why aren't spurs ambitious? Because we have to spend what we earn?

Genuine question.

Do you think any manager who can innovate wouldn't think there a possibility for success?

If so, then why bother?

I think it’s clear Tottenham’s ambition is and always has been European football because of the income. I don’t feel we’re unlucky never winning anything, we had many opportunities we could have done more, we have seen manager after manager fall short, at the end of the day we have an owner in Bahamas that cares about one thing, proof in pudding, Levy handsomely rewarded each year of ‘failure’.

 

[rossdapep]

I've said 4/5 times over the last several weeks that it won't be Poch. So people either miss the posts or just choose to ignore them. Unless there is a massive turnaround from our side and his, he isn't coming back yet. I'm still under the impression that Madrid is his most likely destination but obviously the sacking of Nagelsmann and inevitable sacking of Galtier will then lead to change in several clubs. Levy always finds problems with each candidate, even with Nagelsmann there are big question marks from some within.

Poch isn't coming back from what I've been told consistently over the last month or so. If something changes and I am made to look silly then ok, but I don't see that happening.

It's been mentioned by others already, but the lack of plan again is embarassing and laughable. I was told months ago and passed on behind the scenes that Conte would he gone (likely before the end of the season), so this isn't new news to the club!!!!

This is absolutely infuriating.

Even Manchester United who had become a joke at board room level locked onto their target (Ten Hag) and were in agreement that he was the logical choice.

Was there concerns? Probably they had a couple...

But they asked themselves big questions first so that it was easier to identify their next target and when they answered them Ten Hag stood out like a sore thumb.

We seem to just REACT REACT REACT.

And it seems to go like this:
Levy: "Who can win us something?"
Collecott: "I like the look of Nagelsmann"
Cullen: "He was fired from Bayern because he was arrogant, I prefer Poch"
Caplehorn: "Have you forgotten Poch was too controlling at the end? I like Glasner, he would work well"

You get the point.

This is not how a top football club operates, let alone a club like Brighton or Brentford. These people should get NO SAY in the matter. NONE WHATSOEVER.

The model, philosophy and culture is established first and a DOF is decided upon that.
Then the DOF and HIS team identify coaches that fit this trend, they then decide who fits best based on the data and info they gather.

I know someone high up at Benfica and because he is not the DOF or working alongside the DOF, he had zero input into who the next coach would be when they fired Jesus. His job was simply to monitor the group and help.

Even Rui Costa didn't intervene. It was all down to Rui Braz and his team of data analysts/staff to decide their top target with Costa signing it off.