Next Manager Watch

[snakehipsspurs]

Im not sure why you’re coping so hard over the standard of Scottish football, everyone who follows football knows how weak those leagues are. Also being in a two horse race where you’re the faster and more powerful horse to begin with doesn't really tell us much either.

With that being said, if the football is attractive then I’d take a punt on someone different anyway, just to get away from the current dross being served up. As we’ve seen with new managers doing well, experience isn’t everything.

I’m saying that the challenge of managing Celtic in a title challenge against an equal stature Rangers and beating them is a better test of a manager’s mettle than finishing 13th in the premier league. I’m not commenting on how good Ross County are, I’m talking about beating a rival of the same strength as you 1 on 1 over two seasons.

It’s not Scottish football v English football that matters. It’s has he managed at a high level in games with big pressure and achieved. Absolutely he has.

 

[felmani26]

Surprised Sergio Conceicao's name hasn't been touted albeit he does play a more aggressive version of 442 so not sure we have the personnel for that right now.

 

[parklane yid]

My first choice managers would be

Gallardo, Enrique, De zerbi, Vicenzo Italiano or poch. I like attacking football essentially.

However I have this feeling that Thomas Frank is the man we should appoint. It’s not a flashy appointment, he seems a top bloke who players would love. He passionate with bundles of energy. He is flexible with how his teams play and formations he adopts. He is the type of manager I think would do really well for us.

 

[parklane yid]

Surprised Sergio Conceicao's name hasn't been touted albeit he does play a more aggressive version of 442 so not sure we have the personnel for that right now.

He also plays 433 often. Good shout

 

[muel]

sorry if this point has already been made.

Perhaps Levy is waiting for the outcome of Paratici debacle?

If he stays then it’s Fabio's call on Manager if he goes it’s Levy’s?

 

[jbstarr14]

All of this is the problem.

All managers have systems and recruit players that fit it.
All managers coming into a new club have to adapt to the existing squad they inherit.
and finally, all well run clubs have a structure that identifies continuity from manager to manager.

But not us, it appears.
We lurch from extreme to extreme and then struggle to match the squad to the managers demands.

Can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or missed my point altogether….

Maybe it was a bit subtle -

My point is that if Levy & co aren’t going to provide the new manager with players to suit a fixed system, then they absolutely must look for a manager capable of working with what they’re given - the irony here (and my point) being that Levy & co have their own system, but have been guilty of rigid inflexibility which has had a detrimental effect on the progress of the team.

They seem to want the manager to demonstrate a willingness to change their own approach for the good of the team, when they are reluctant to change theirs for that same reason.

They can’t have it both ways - If they want a manager who will ‘work with what they have’ then they should rule out so-called ‘serial winners’ who assemble a team, and focus their efforts on recruiting someone who is a better cultural fit, willing to develop one.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Can anyone explain the "never go back" thing to me. It seems like a meaningless phrase based on superstitious nonsense. The normally reliable Jonathon Liew wrote an article on it in the Guardian, about us/poch, and didn't explain how it is a criterion for not reappointing a former manager.

I'd be happy if Poch was reappointed, and happy with several other managers that aren't cynical safety-first guys. But itd be useful if it's based on real characteristics of the manager, including past performance, styles of play, and projected future performance within the spurs operating model. "Never go back" isn't any useful metric that I can see.

He is an ex for a reason. People have their heads filled with nostalgia about how we played 6 years ago. We had a very good team and at the time a very good manager. Things are different now and we need to look at his management history since leaving Spurs....

He has managed one team and done..... okish. That's it.

If you step back and have a look and remember the bad things as well. Remember the way he refused to play youth players. How he refused to be flexible with his transfer targets.

How he wanted ndombele and Lo celso and we spunked a huge amount of cash on two of the biggest flops in out history. How he flirted with other top clubs, how he was a shadow of himself by the end.

I don't blame Poch for our downfall, the club should take responsibility but if someone like Tuchel is available (an example, personally I don't want him) then it would be almost criminal to appoint Poch ahead of him.

 

[Snarfalicious]

sorry if this point has already been made.

Perhaps Levy is waiting for the outcome of Paratici debacle?

If he stays then it’s Fabio's call on Manager if he goes it’s Levy’s?

Think that’s fine but he can still sack Conte and give the job to Mason immediately in an effort to improve morale.

 

[GobbyJJ]

This is the order I’d do with. Only problems I’d see is that De Xerbi would be very expensive and we know how tight Levy iis. Split on choice on number 3 between Kompany & Carrick. Maybe an Arginine boss could bring back Le Celsius into the fold. Unlike N’Dum I haven’t given up hope on him
QUOTE="Tyler24durden, post: 8285630, member: 23667"]
For me:
I really rate Tuchel, regardless of the ex chelsea issue. However, we need someone long term and he doesn’t last long at clubs.

So, in this order:

1) Gallardo

2) De Zerbi

3) Kompany

I would also love Poch to come back but unless he is backed properly then I’d rather he didn’t come back and tarnish his legacy.
[/QUOTE]

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I think the argument of attacking football at the expense of winning is a flawed one. I certainly think it’s possible to win leagues with a “defensive” set up (Conte, Mourinho prove that) but I think the issue is that you’re trying to create 1-0 wins and that’s very difficult in the modern premier league as there’s lots of potential for a moment of quality or luck to break that.

The reason Man City and Liverpool got 100pt seasons is because they were winning by 2,3,4 goals each game and when a moment of bad luck happened it didn’t lose them points. They could also take their foot off the gas in the last few minutes.

TLDR; get me an attacking manager

I don’t even think it’s a question at this point. The top three in the league this season are managed by Pep and two of his former assistants and, as much as they’ve had a bad season, looking at Liverpool (and I realise they are currently 1-0 down to Bournmouth) they will most likely be 4rd.

The only team I can think of out there that is successful playing more defensive football is Rail Madrid and even so Barca are very much on top in the league even tho their team has more holes. In Italy Napoli are owning the league, Portugal Schmidt at Benfica are looking very comfortable and in German both BM and BVB are also very attacking, even in Holland you have Slott who has been a revelation this season at Feyernord top of the league with Ajax 2nd.

I think there might be an argument for defensive managers finding success in cup competitions but I think it only ever works these days if you have very high quality players who have all completely bought into the tactics. I think this change happened when we hired Jose and another reason I have a big issue with Levy, in that he has not realised this shift that is and has happened across Europe.

Yes there is an element of defensive football in its current form I think is dying, but I do think that it can still work with top quality players as has been proven by RM as i mentioned. Eventually I think we will see more coaches trying to adapt and update much in the same way tiki taka and high press has been over the last few years.

I think we will start seeing more managers who are altogether more versatile from a tactical point of view look to design their teams around a general ethos that can change to any tactic on the fly. The fact that players in general are being required to have more ability across the pitch, (defenders who can dribble, strikers who can playmake etc) will only move the game towards less rigid more fluid styles of football imo.

 

[jpascavitz]

I know it's unlikely from the rumblings but doesn't it actually seem to make sense that Pochs system would benefit the potential squad for next season?

I think Udogie, Sess/Porro, Emerson is the closest we can get to Rose/Walker bombing on the wings and Pochs system allowed the fullbacks to get forward while a cdm becomes a makeshift CB (Bissouma mopping up?)

Just seems that Pochs 4231 would be decent

 

[spark7586]

Very likeable, charismatic bloke. Good football.

No thanks - see Gerrard and Villa.

 

[GutBucket]

Love Gasperini, making Ademola Lookman look like Son (from previous seasons). His attacking football inflates player stats and makes them look better and easier to sell which we could use, and defenders don't look bad either (Romero defender of the year in Seria A). He is more and more ready to argue with everyone as he's getting older and Levy would hate him for going public about everything.

But a younger version of him would be great. In any case it has to be attacking football, much easier to sell players, they get more confidence, more entertaining for everyone etc. If not Enrique it should be De Zerbi IMO, I was sold after the Liverpool match in October. 2 seconds after winning possession from Liverpool they had 7 players around the opposition's box.

 

[rossdapep]

My feeling is that if we don’t get Gallardo we’ll look back at it in much the same way we can look back and wish we’d got Ten Hag now.

I fully expect us not to appoint him and I fully expect us to regret it.

If Leeds stay up, he'll go there and everyone will be raving about him.

He'll then move onto a bigger xlub than us.

Min Jae
Kvaratskhelia
Ten Hag etc etc

We keep overlooking promising options because we have little faith and need more 'assured' options.

 

[rossdapep]

I think the argument of attacking football at the expense of winning is a flawed one. I certainly think it’s possible to win leagues with a “defensive” set up (Conte, Mourinho prove that) but I think the issue is that you’re trying to create 1-0 wins and that’s very difficult in the modern premier league as there’s lots of potential for a moment of quality or luck to break that.

The reason Man City and Liverpool got 100pt seasons is because they were winning by 2,3,4 goals each game and when a moment of bad luck happened it didn’t lose them points. They could also take their foot off the gas in the last few minutes.

TLDR; get me an attacking manager

Very true.

The teams who are more relentless and have the best attacking unit tend to set themselves apart.

City and Liverpool always conceded silly goals where they have the ball away from the GK or CB etc.

Yet because they played with such force and intensity when attacking they were almost powerless to stop, even if you could score 2 against them.

Under the Mourinho/Fergie era it worked because it wasnt relentless like today. Build up was slower and teams played with more behind the ball. Overloads etc wasn't really a thing.

Even a good team can try to sit back and still be overcome.

Now you have to outwork and outnumber the opposition all iver the pitch.

 

[fletch82]

This is the order I’d do with. Only problems I’d see is that De Xerbi would be very expensive and we know how tight Levy iis. Split on choice on number 3 between Kompany & Carrick. Maybe an Arginine boss could bring back Le Celsius into the fold. Unlike N’Dum I haven’t given up hope on him
QUOTE="Tyler24durden, post: 8285630, member: 23667"]
For me:
I really rate Tuchel, regardless of the ex chelsea issue. However, we need someone long term and he doesn’t last long at clubs.

So, in this order:

1) Gallardo

2) De Zerbi

3) Kompany

I would also love Poch to come back but unless he is backed properly then I’d rather he didn’t come back and tarnish his legacy.

[/QUOTE]
I like le Celsius
Hes hot

 

[Cochraam]

A bit ironic that the history of Tottenham is to play attacking football, but now that attacking football is in the ascendancy and the way to win within the modern state of the game, we're stuck playing defensive reactive football like it's the late nineties.

 

[ernest_lowrider]

I think the argument of attacking football at the expense of winning is a flawed one. I certainly think it’s possible to win leagues with a “defensive” set up (Conte, Mourinho prove that) but I think the issue is that you’re trying to create 1-0 wins and that’s very difficult in the modern premier league as there’s lots of potential for a moment of quality or luck to break that.

The reason Man City and Liverpool got 100pt seasons is because they were winning by 2,3,4 goals each game and when a moment of bad luck happened it didn’t lose them points. They could also take their foot off the gas in the last few minutes.

TLDR; get me an attacking manager

Of course it's possible to win leagues with "defensive" set up even in modern Premier League.
I'm not so sure about winning leagues with such an error prone roster like Lloris, Dier, Sanchez and so on.

 

[mano-obe]

We have gone with European and league winners in Jose, Ramos, AVB, Conte

Had motivators such as Redknapp and Sherwood

It doesn't matter what we do we always fail.

I'd like to see Kompany at Spurs. He was a brilliant captain and thinker of the game. He is well respected amongst footballers too.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Had motivators such as Redknapp and Sherwood

Wat?