Next Manager Watch

[funkycoldmedina]

Yeah, it's cause I don't think we should be sniffing anywhere near a manger in the SPFL. In the current UEFA rankings its the 9th best league in the world. We're one of the top 15 wealthiest team in the world and this is our best candidate?

Neil Lennons PPG at Celtic:

• First stint - 2.23
• Second stint (right before Ange) - 2.29

Ange PPG at Celtic:

• 2.30 ppg

Neil Lennon also was able to make it out of the group stage in both Europa & Champions league. Something Ange has not been able to do in either of his two seasons.

Again, looking at results over actual performances, playing squad etc. If it was that easy to pick the right players and staff you'd just need a mathematician

 

[easley91]

Would that not be concerning that what we're looking for changes from moment to moment?

Or we are now going down the list as Nagelsmann wouldn't agree with Levy over a DOF, Slot signing a new contract, Poch not being wanted, Kompany signed a new contract, De Zerbi isn't going to leave Brighton right now.

It does happen where you don't get your main targets so you adapt your search to the next best available candidate. If you can't get someone who ticks all the boxes, then you go for someone who ticks the majority or as much of them as possible.

 

[worcestersauce]

If Trix says it’s Luis Enrique then I tend to believe what he says. 10 grand on him at 5/1. Cheers fella

Did Trix say that?

 

[Tucker]

The discussion on the quality or lack thereof of the Scottish league has been done to death now. You aren’t going to convince each other of your arguments. So can we just give it a rest now?

This thread has grown like 10-15 pages today already, and nothing new has happened.

 

[carmeldevil]

Did Trix say that?

shh. let the guy bet 10k.

 

[dtxspurs]

Or we are now going down the list as Nagelsmann wouldn't agree with Levy over a DOF, Slot signing a new contract, Poch not being wanted, Kompany signed a new contract, De Zerbi isn't going to leave Brighton right now.

It does happen where you don't get your main targets so you adapt your search to the next best available candidate. If you can't get someone who ticks all the boxes, then you go for someone who ticks the majority or as much of them as possible.

Or just the one who is available at the cost Levy deems acceptable and doesn't have demands that Levy deems unreasonable.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Keep flip flopping on Postecoglu. If he was our no.1 candidate at the beginning of the summer, I think there would be less scepticism. Fact is he’s, at best, our third choice and doesn’t really fit the remit of a coach in the 2014 Poch mold.

To provide a bit of balance, for those complaining about his age (not saying you’re wrong), if he’s still here into his 60s, will people still be complaining or will they be worrying about when he’d be looking to retire after clearly doing a good enough job to survive longer than 90% of managers under ENIC?

 

[easley91]

Or just the one who is available at the cost Levy deems acceptable and doesn't have demands that Levy deems unreasonable.

So the others aren't available now as I said in my post? If going the cheap route was actually the case, then Mason would have been offered it before anyone else.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Again, looking at results over actual performances, playing squad etc. If it was that easy to pick the right players and staff you'd just need a mathematician

Maybe - but our current squad looks nothing like the players the Postecoglou uses at Celtic.

They utilize small quick players. Of their current roster of outfield players - 10 are shorter than 5'10", and only 3 are as tall as 6'1"
I would guess that Postecoglou had similar player in Japan and Australia.

Our current roster is 3 players who are shorter than 5'10" - Lucas, Skipp and Porro, and 10 players who are 6'1" or taller.




Celtic are small, quick, technical players. Spurs are tall, slow and non-technical players. It's a mismatch of what Postecoglou wants to do, and the players he has at his disposal. And to get the quality of players that Postecoglou needs, at the levels required in the PL, would take City-levels of spending, over several windows.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Personally I’d much prefer Luis Enrique to Ange. However I’m so bored of the same conversations and rumours I’ll take and massively support anyone who wants to attack and have possession of the football right now.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Did Trix say that?

If I had to guess, I would say he is just trolling

 

[S17PUR]

Nagelsmann is a really big elephant in the room isn't he? If he wasn't there and apparently available, the other candidates would be looked at totally differently I imagine.

Donna needs to up her PR game and get someone to write a hit on Nagelsmann pronto.

This whole debacle has come about not only because the higher ups at the club apparently have no idea what they're doing, but because they also can't control the bloody narrative.

Chelsea briefly flirted with Nagelsmann but it's been apparent for weeks it was going to be Poch. We're still discussing the merits of various options, having Slot built up to be the messiah before we've even asked about his contract, and just generally looking like amateurs. We're also putting immense pressure on whatever poor sod gets the job, as everyone now knows (suspects?) they were 3rd choice at best.

It really is amazing how we can get it so wrong, shortly after getting it so wrong last time.

 

[C1w8]

You’re very mistaken, you’re overly offended because you’re Australian it seems.
I couldn’t care what nationality Ange is or any manager we appoint as long as they’re the right manager.

Our board openly said we want to go back to our supposed ethos and employ a young, upcoming forward thinking coach.

But somehow we’ve landed on a man that’s had a 27 year managerial career, mostly in Australia and briefly in Asia.
Those leagues are the equivalent to semi professional in England.
He has next to no experience as a top level manager at the highest level, it’s worlds apart from where he’s been.

Celtic have won the league 12 out of the last 13 years so he’s not some kind of visionary either.

This is Munn’s mate who we’ve landed on because we’ve either pissed other managers off or we’ve turned our noses up at managers who’d want more control.

This isn’t good enough.

Not looking to wade into the ange debate, i dont particularly mind either way, yes massive risk, but also i agree with a lot of the people on here who put a lot of weight on charisma and leadership skills so i'd be kinda curious to see how it pans out if we did appoint him, i actually think he has a chance to do pretty well.

The last thing you mention though, there's an obvious third either/or that we as a collective dont seem to like to admit much - that the names being banded around, Nagelsmann, Slot, possibly others, are simply not that keen on managing us because they think they can get a bigger job. We are not top tier in that regard, the stadium and facilities only go so far, our name doesnt resonate the way others do.

The amount of times Nagelsmann is mentioned on here just amazes me given the limited amount of genuine links and for a team who just finished 8th with no european football and a lack of success the last 30+ years.

 

[srups34]

Did Trix say that?

Close enough for me to bet my life savings on.

 

[Cochise]

The quote from Dan KP is just some shit line the club have fed him much like in the past. We want a young, hungry, up and coming manager but those that are available either have issues working under the current structure (Nagelsmann), won't be bought out of their current contracts (Slot) or seemingly aren't good enough for Levy and co (Gallardo).

Thanks to our inability to act like a proper football club we will end up with whoever we can get. Personally I think we should thank our lucky stars that coaches like Enrique and Postecoglou are on the list and we aren't faced with another Nuno appointment (that's the dream). The pickings two summer's ago were really poor, but if we don't pull our finger out we may end up with someone like Rodgers and after watching him get Leicester relegated I'd fear for us.

 

[dtxspurs]

So the others aren't available now as I said in my post? If going the cheap route was actually the case, then Mason would have been offered it before anyone else.

But it's not that they (all) aren't/weren't available. It's that Levy decided for one bullshit reason or another they weren't a good fit mostly due to financial/personal reasons rather than genuinely finding us the best candidate possible.

If it were down to pure football Nagelsmann, Poch or Slot would be here. But we all know that's not the driving factor at Spurs. It's money.

That's my problem with where we are. We're settling for a lesser choice managerial candidate due to financial decisions, not footballing reasons.

 

[ukdy]

How do you propose we as fans identify the right manager?

Are any of the keyboard warriors and/or fans in possession of all the facts and qualified, yes properly qualified to make that decision!

The answer is, we don’t, we just sit back and get on with whatever is served to us, then we decide if we like it.

 

[wrd]

Or we are now going down the list as Nagelsmann wouldn't agree with Levy over a DOF, Slot signing a new contract, Poch not being wanted, Kompany signed a new contract, De Zerbi isn't going to leave Brighton right now.

It does happen where you don't get your main targets so you adapt your search to the next best available candidate. If you can't get someone who ticks all the boxes, then you go for someone who ticks the majority or as much of them as possible.

I don't agree with that way of looking at the situation because it sounds to more like that there is no clear consistent guidelines we're following to fit the profile for our manager. If we had guidelines then there's no way that a list would be only 4 names deep in world football.

If the guideline is, we want a young version of Poch then it's
- Front foot attacking football with high energy press
- Adaptable
- Willing to work with a young squad
- Good interpersonal relationship with players that gives them confidence
- Not intensive on controlling players responsibility and gives them freedom
- Project based
- Young

Now personally the young bit is a strange criteria given it's management but there's no way that only 4 people like this in world football exist. I think what that reveals is that our depth of knowledge of what is out there is extremely shallow and the fact we're able to move away from principles so quickly tells me that it was almost certainly never built on principles but instead built on flavour of the month or more worringly, who will say yes that balances capability and even more concerning, brand recognition.

Slot, Ange fit the same criteria except for age. If we was going by principles then he's the logical choice, Gallardo, is in this line of thinking. Mason for all of his lack of experience, fits the criteria, understandable that he wouldn't be chosen as his lack of experience. To jump from this type of manager, to Nagelsmann, to Enrique.

I don't think we're jumping to next best available target in relation to boxes ticked by any measure of looking for the next version of Poch. I think that was something that sounded good at the time of Slot and has been quickly forgotten.

The reason I labour this point is because of this:

- https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2021/may/chairman-s-message/

Then this

- https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/ne...of-fabio-paratici-managing-director-football/

Then this

- https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2021/june/nuno-espirito-santo-appointed-new-head-coach/

I'm linking these because I want to be clear, I'm not looking to simply find new and exciting ways to chastise the board. I'm linking these because they show with clear evidence, the pattern has happened before and this is why I'm genuinely concerned now that we have no vision of what we're trying to accomplish or through line to our choices. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[sidford]

Tottenham set two-week target to confirm managerial appointment

Spurs need both a first-team head coach and a new sporting director this summer after a dismal Premier League campaign

www.independent.co.uk

Tottenham Hotspur want to make a managerial appointment in the next 10-14 days, with Celtic’s Ange Postecoglou one of the leading candidates.

The Premier League club do not want to disrupt the Scottish champions’ preparation for the weekend’s Scottish Cup final, but it is expected a formal approach will follow.



Spurs have already spoken to other candidates, with Feyenoord’s Arne Slot having turned the job down, but Postecoglou is currently seen as the manager who best fits the progressive building project the club desires. Although the Australian is 57, the widespread perception in the game is that he is ready for the step-up. Spurs have also strongly considered Roberto De Zerbi, Marco Silva and Graham Potter although all are seen as more difficult to hire at this point, bar Potter. The former Chelsea manager had wanted a break but is willing to listen to the right offer this summer. Crystal Palace are already making overtures.

Spurs’ lack of a sporting director could put Potter off, but Postecoglou is in any case currently seen as a better fit.


The club’s second interim boss of the season, Ryan Mason, suggested he had fared well in his second stint at the club, but a devastating second half of the campaign saw Spurs finish eighth in the table meaning no European football next season.

Mason has urged Spurs to figure out “who we want to be” as they struggle caught between needing to rebuild and wanting to challenge quickly for trophies. Antonio Conte was dismissed without coming close to winning silverware, while previous boss Jose Mourinho was sacked before a League Cup final which Mason ultimately led the team out for to lose in 2021

 

[McFlash]

People who want Ange ask yourself this. What distinguishes him from Roberto Martinez in terms of CV track record?

Martinez is a likeable bloke who evidently plays good football. He doesn't have good results at an elite level, neither does Postecoglou. Is there a discernible difference apart from the fact we know Martinez is a fraud and Postecoglou is a completely unknown quantity at elite level?

There are other likeable blokes out there who play good football but have also proved they can get results at an elite level. Ie. Enrique and Nagelsmann.

I'm not particularly in the group who want Ange but I wouldn't be against it either.

I think where your comparison with Martinez falls short in that Martinez has had the chance to prove himself at a decent level, a couple of times and he's fallen short.
Postecoglu hasn't yet had that chance, so it's a bit harsh to dump him into that bracket without giving him that opportunity.

Jol had never proven himself at a high level and neither really had Poch.

I think in our current case, it's more about the person and fit, than it is about their past record.

None of us know if Ange would be a success or not but to write him off without him ever having the chance is bad form.
By all accounts, his career has been on a steady upwards trajectory, so what's to say he's not capable of taking the next step along his path?