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[Teddy Klinsmann]

Latest rankings puts Swiss league above Scottish league. Remember how a title winning manager from that league went.

 

[bombarda]

The majority of teams they played in the ECL and EL were at a similar level to them. We're at a similar level to most Prem teams. So if you're conceding goals against teams at a similar level to you then that's a worry no?

8 of those goals were against Real Madrid. 7 against Leverkeusen. 5 Leipzig. These are not clubs at a similar level to Celtic. His European record isn't good, but it's unfair to say that he was playing teams on a similar level. Two draws against Shakhtar, and a win and loss (home and away respectively) at Betis are a better barometer.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

Tried to get Poch 2 summers ago. PSG blocked. Tried to get JN 2 summers ago, Munich swooped. Both free, both available this summer - go for the manager from a 2 team league ranked one of the worst in Europe. FM!

 

[easley91]

A quote from a Dan Kilpatrick article earlier this month:

"But Levy is looking for a new coach in the mould of Pochettino in 2014 - young, hungry, up-and-coming - and sources close to the chairman say the 2023 version (of Poch) does not fit the profile. He is nearly a decade older now"

This as we're probably looking at hiring someone who would now be the second oldest manager in the Prem.

The last coaches hired straight from the Scottish league to England have joined clubs like Aston Villa 2x & Middlesborough 2x.

I hope to be proven wrong but I don't see any way this ends in anything other than disaster.

That was a month ago when Slot was still on the table, wasn't it?

 

[dtxspurs]

Tried to get Poch 2 summers ago. PSG blocked. Tried to get JN 2 summers ago, Munich swooped. Both free, both available - go for the manager from a 2 team league ranked one of the worst in Europe. FM!

Absolute insanity...

 

[TheAmerican]

All the comments about fitting the squad confuse me. The squad itself isn't good enough, that's part of the problem. Is it just the belief that we'll only solve some of our issues at any point in time?

 

[shoggy33]

That's not the point. It's trying to understand how he fares against elite opponents and also opponents close to their level. Which is most comparable to how he will do in the PL with Spurs.

To be fair he's doing that with Cameron Carter Vickers at Centre Back. I know our lot aren't great but CCV wasn't able to get anywhere near our first team. It's not really fair say Ange can't do it against elite teams when he hasn't got elite players. It's obviously a risk but then who isn't? Having said that I still think it's mad we aren't going for JN.

 

[dtxspurs]

That was a month ago when Slot was still on the table, wasn't it?

Correct - I'm just pointing out that it was likely a bullshit reason as to why we weren't going for Poch and how that would contradict everything regarding Nagelsman and where we are now.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

A quote from a Dan Kilpatrick article earlier this month:

"But Levy is looking for a new coach in the mould of Pochettino in 2014 - young, hungry, up-and-coming - and sources close to the chairman say the 2023 version (of Poch) does not fit the profile. He is nearly a decade older now"

This as we're probably looking at hiring someone who would now be the second oldest manager in the Prem.

The last coaches hired straight from the Scottish league to England have joined clubs like Aston Villa 2x & Middlesborough 2x.

I hope to be proven wrong but I don't see any way this ends in anything other than disaster.

I never understand these comparisons, it's so regressive.
Living in Glasgow I've watched a lot of the Old Firm. If you don't want to take the SPFL as a benchmark, and I understand why look at the CL., But look further than the results. Lennon's team were hardworking, set up to draw but generally failed, nothing inspiring. Rodger's sides rarely contested and got overrun. Ange's side this last campaign put in some exhilarating performances against good sides. Their lack of class in front of goal meant they didn't convert enough and then they often ran out of steam.
The thing to take from that, is that with players who are a few levels below ECL standard he created a very competitive team. If you extrapolate it's not inconceivable who could do more with better.

 

[dtxspurs]

All the comments about fitting the squad confuse me. The squad itself isn't good enough, that's part of the problem. Is it just the belief that we'll only solve some of our issues at any point in time?

Bingo! We've only signed 2 players for over 30mil in a transfer window once.

So do I believe that Ange is going to come in and get the players we need at CB, GK, #10, fullback, etc. at the required quality we need? Nope.

 

[Japhet]

Am I right in thinking Brighton wanted Postecoglou but couldn't get him so went for DeZerbi?

 

[RuskyM]

We need to get managers and players before they’re superstars. Why don’t we scout and take punts, like Brighton and Brentford?

>Spurs consider a riskier appointment

Wait, no, not like that.

Frankly him being in the discussion is due to his abilities, not in spite of them. Him putting the hard graft in Greece and Australia makes him more appealing to me, not less. For as much as I like Slot, his managerial career started after Sissoko’s armpit got hit. Ange was toiling for decades. He deserves the chance. God knows he’s worked for it.

 

[easley91]

Am I right in thinking Brighton wanted Postecoglou but couldn't get him so went for DeZerbi?

He was indeed linked with Brighton prior to them announcing De Zerbi.

 

[Athenspur]

Angelos Postecoglou was a disaster when he tried his hand with a small team in Greece (his country of origin btw).
But that's actually a good thing. Greek football is not a place for decent managers, and decent folks in general. And the man who ousted Postecoglou is a total clown.
And that was a long time ago.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Am I right in thinking Brighton wanted Postecoglou but couldn't get him so went for DeZerbi?

Depends which reports you listen to, Barber says it was always RDZ (what else would he say) but others suggest it was Gallardo they wanted and yet others suggested Ange. Impossible to know for sure.

 

[dtxspurs]

I never understand these comparisons, it's so regressive.
Living in Glasgow I've watched a lot of the Old Firm. If you don't want to take the SPFL as a benchmark, and I understand why look at the CL., But look further than the results. Lennon's team were hardworking, set up to draw but generally failed, nothing inspiring. Rodger's sides rarely contested and got overrun. Ange's side this last campaign put in some exhilarating performances against good sides. Their lack of class in front of goal meant they didn't convert enough and then they often ran out of steam.
The thing to take from that, is that with players who are a few levels below ECL standard he created a very competitive team. If you extrapolate it's not inconceivable who could do more with better.

Yeah, it's cause I don't think we should be sniffing anywhere near a manger in the SPFL. In the current UEFA rankings its the 9th best league in the world. We're one of the top 15 wealthiest team in the world and this is our best candidate?

Neil Lennons PPG at Celtic:

• First stint - 2.23
• Second stint (right before Ange) - 2.29

Ange PPG at Celtic:

• 2.30 ppg

Neil Lennon also was able to make it out of the group stage in both Europa & Champions league. Something Ange has not been able to do in either of his two seasons.

 

[Japhet]

Depends which reports you listen to, Barber says it was always RDZ (what else would he say) but others suggest it was Gallardo they wanted and yet others suggested Ange. Impossible to know for sure.

I get the feeling that if Brighton were somehow to lose DeZerbi, they would quite likely go for Ange. If they had him, Gallardo and DeZerbi on the list they're doing something right imo.

 

[mpickard2087]

Just popping by for a quick browse.

It doesn't change, does it? Lets be honest, for all these mental gymnastics most fans are going entirely on name, hype, and reputation... yet again. You're as bad if not worse than Levy in that respect. For most you can just boil it down that any opinion has been formed by that they just want someone who looks and sounds good and allows them to immediately get excited and engage in some verbal dick swinging with their mates or on social media etc.

We need to get the right guy, not the biggest name. Someone who can put in place modern, en vogue, and, if we were really lucky, revolutionary, footballing ideas and tactics and standards/practices for top table football in 2023 (and beyond). Who can manage, build relationships, and get buy in from the players. And fully understands and is comfortable operating with the parameters and policies of the club going forward and it's place in the foodchain and plan to rebuild.

They could be from Spain, or Scotland, or Somalia. From La Liga or League Two. Have decades of experience or never managed before. It doesn't matter if they tick all the boxes the club deem relevant. We can only hope that those involved are searching comprehensively and able to identify talented people, but the last thing they should be doing is getting influenced by fans wanting a big/hyped/exciting name.

 

[wrd]

That was a month ago when Slot was still on the table, wasn't it?

Would that not be concerning that what we're looking for changes from moment to moment?

 

[dontcallme]

Just popping by for a quick browse.

It doesn't change, does it? Lets be honest, for all these mental gymnastics most fans are going entirely on name, hype, and reputation... yet again. You're as bad if not worse than Levy in that respect. For most you can just boil it down that any opinion has been formed by that they just want someone who looks and sounds good and allows them to immediately get excited and engage in some verbal dick swinging with their mates or on social media etc.

We need to get the right guy, not the biggest name. Someone who can put in place modern, en vogue, and, if we were really lucky, revolutionary, footballing ideas and tactics and standards/practices for top table football in 2023 (and beyond). Who can manage, build relationships, and get buy in from the players. And fully understands and is comfortable operating with the parameters and policies of the club going forward and it's place in the foodchain and plan to rebuild.

They could be from Spain, or Scotland, or Somalia. From La Liga or League Two. Have decades of experience or never managed before. It doesn't matter if they tick all the boxes the club deem relevant. We can only hope that those involved are searching comprehensively and able to identify talented people, but the last thing they should be doing is getting influenced by fans wanting a big/hyped/exciting name.

How do you propose we as fans identify the right manager?

I don’t want a big name and have a few qualities I look to in a manager but as an outsider it’s very hard to determine who’s be right for us.