beats1
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Now I seen more documents I can add to this postSome interesting bits that haven't been mentioned as of yet as far as Im aware:
There will be 10 levels/floors in the stadium plus the basement and roof level
As we learned yesterday that there is room for the club to expand hospitality which will extend the life of the stadium without actually needing the any rebuilding in the next 10 years or so. For example Arsenal realised they could of done with more hospitality suites or seats within the first 10 years. They are stuffed since they can't build up due to height restrictions and can't go down without moving out due to the water table. Also there is a box level and another level that has boxes so potential more boxes than playboy
Worth noting NFL stadiums have a very short life due to an increase in the need for hospitality so having two potential tiers of boxes does point to a big NFL interest as you see a lot in the NFL stadia
Also the North stand is only 3 tiers whilst East and West are 4 tiers so it isn't a identikit stadium
There will 585 apartments in the grand scheme
The trains on the now upgraded Victoria Line will be have the most frequent trains before match days in the UK with a train running every 100 seconds to seven sisters and tottenham hale, where there to be the extension to happen in the next ten years it would mean great transport links directly to the stadium
Northumberland Park is getting an upgrade(a reconstruction) with a third track being built and there will be more frequent trains from Stratford. This will be completed before the stadium. There will be a better quality footbridge and the level crossing will be removed.
WHL station will get a major upgrade and planning permission submitted later in the year and work completed in 2017
The club are going to operate two new bus services from Alexandria Palace via Wood green(piccadilly line) and from tottenham hale directly to the ground
Also the kept Listed building sits MUCH better in to the grand scheme of things and is part of the "Tottenham Experience" which is connected to the listed building by glass and integrates well in to one large building
Whilst I don't like certain things about the stadium, the club have definitely got the overall grand scheme right and better than their previous attempts(i.e. hotel, tottenham experience, extreme sports centre(probably includes a live riot simulator where you fight against riot police) and etc.)
That said I can't see the climbing holds passing health and safety
There is more but I can't download all the documents but have a lot already
Other Interesting bits, one picture of the NFL area shows the layout, in which you can see the pitch, on the pitch it says LONDON on both sides. Now wembley hasn't ever written london on the pitch when hosting a match. Instead opting for a NFL badge and the name of the team playing as well as the badge of the team on the other side
Clearly there has been someone "EXTREME" working on this project, I like the ideas but its not something you see often on a build like this. There is a sky walk that goes from the ground to the roof of the stadium, there is then a glass "bridge"(more of a walkway) on where the polycarbonate roof is and you can walk over the goal line.
The masterplan does state when you go to the roof directly above the kop stand you can abseil down to the ground. Yep you will abseil down from the roof to the ground at a football stadium. Though I'm sure plenty of people after the game will make like lemmings and make the jump without a harness.
The stadium is taller than the last design and the hotel is 89m tall and the residential building are taller as well
The cladding is a mixture of a curtain wall glazing system and a perforated steel panels(which is the in thing for the last decade or so)
There was a complaint about wheelchair users saying they aren't well catered for in stadiums even new ones, well they got the best seats in the kop stand. So they can't have no complaints, that reminds me of that wheelchair song thread about the north stand, LOL.
Fans won't enter at street level instead going up the raised concourses, through the north and south stand. Hospitality fans will enter at street level from west and east stand. Wheelchair users will get the option of using a dedicated lift from street level or an external lift so they enter will the normal(normal meaning poor fans who can't afford hospitality) fans in the north and south stands
For anyone who wants a quick exit, every seat will within 30metre walk of an exit bar 500 seats in the kop stand. So if you're a miserable basterd you may want to sit elsewhere otherwise there is a greater risk of hearing other people moan or everyone having to hear you moan
The stadium doesn't confirm to FIFA recommended standards of 10m space behind the goal and 8m on the sides as it is closer behind the goal but this isn't a rule as pointed out before just a recommendation. Otherwise places like Old Trafford and etc wouldn't be able to host fifa/UEFA events and they do. Just under 5m behind the goals the first person and under 8m on the side.
Now FIFA stated stadiums shouldn't have seats further than 190m's away from the furthest corner flag. Due to the somewhat shallow rake the kop stand will be 180m. This is also why the OS has a capacity of 54k since the seats around there are further than 190m hence why they only have 4 or 5 rows in the top teir behind the goal.
It will be a aluminium roof which is a good thing since it help retain the sound better as a membrane roof will absorb it(this is kind of been my field for the last year)
@nicdic asked whether it eased my fears about the kop, it hasn't. The angle of the rake is much lower than the rest of stadium hence the stadium being an egg shape. however it does match Dortmunds rake though it is slightly less intimidating due to the fact that Dortmunds stand is an actually square stand whereas our kop stand is bit of a cheat since they are including the corners. This is the only part of the stadium that is bowl shaped the rest is a 4 stand layout.
Whilst Dortmund will have a yellow wall, we will have a blue wave.
So the kop stand starts pretty much in line with the goal line
Whether it will be the biggest kop stand is debatable as West Ham have a 24k kop stand
Another good thing is that the fans will be able to see each other all over the stadium. Even though I'm not a big fan of the roof, the roof won't dip downwards like the emirates and Old trafford. This helps the atmosphere as well acoustically and visually.
I don't like the idea of giving fans both the middle tier and top tier in the north stand. I rather they get penned at the bottom let alone have 3 tiers though at emirates you are supposed to get the top tier and the bottom tier for cup matches.
There are only 8k hospitality seats which suggest the club have made a huge mistake in making too little but then there is room for the north stand to be turned in to a hospitality area taking that figure to 11k potentially. There is also room to add some boxes as well. As there are 2 levels of boxes though they don't go all the way round which suggest we may add more
Initially hospitality will only be mainly East and West stand
I actually think they made the away dressing room too nice, given them a lot of toilet space and 11 showers as well as Ice baths
120 seat press conference room
The NFL dressing room is probably better than ours, it is definitely bigger
Hotel and Tottenham Experience works will be started before the stadium is demolished
I think some people have confused the phase plans with the original plan. The stadium will still be completed 3/4's however it won't be ready to move in to and I think part of the reason is the new pitch system as well the deadline. Its likely the structure will be completed of stadium when we leave for the 3/4's but it won't be ready inside and out.
Interesting that they are wanting to introduce tailgate/fanzones. The area around the stadium will be a fanzone as well the school playing fields outside the current East stand being used as a fanzone area. Bruce Grove Park would be potentially a tailgate party venue
Apparently the old high road was originally a major road during roman times to london, so expect some ruins to delay build times. Bill nic gates will be between the hotel and the tottenham experience which will be the main walkway for fans coming from seven sisters.
Interesting points addressing the listed buildings. They are saying that the buildings aren't in a great condition and that the scheme which they approved resulted in some poor architecture as the scheme had irregular arrangement and wasn't linear to the rest of the road. The new tottenham experience building will keep a stronger link with the high road and be more linear whilst keeping one of the buildings and also increases the pavement size from 2m to 9.5m
Another keeping is that an initial concept was made for removal of all the listed buildings(looks better as well imo but thats because it had more blue imo) and that Historic England, GLA and LBH expressed concerns over their removal and asked to explore all avenues in particular the warmington house building. As a result this redesign includes this in to the overall plan.
The tottenham experience will consist of a large retail area, small 80 person cinema, museum, cafe, Ticketing office and Sky walk kit room.
The listed building will be restored as well.
Now the building you guys have been all waiting for, THE EXTREME SPORTS BUILDING
This will consist of an elite climbing area, an adult bouldering room (google it and its a climbing wall that only has ridges and no harness), a cafe, a soft play zone for kids and a dive tank(starting from the 5th floor going down to the ground floor) as well as an outdoor climbing room. Also there is a 7th floor cafe overlooking the dive tank.
Finally here is one picture of the stadium and the extreme sports building in the background which you can see the cafe at the top overlooking the stadium.
