Joe Lewis' Masterplan...or why Bale will not be sold

[sloth]

As for the rest of your post, obviously I don't agree! Whilst spending vast amounts of money does not necessarily guarantee success, ie Liverpool under Dalgliesh,....... they were dumb! There is an exception to every rule!
Lewis and Levy are not dumb, and for the most part the model works particularly when the investors are as savvy as ENIC

I disagree with the notion that Levy would have asked AVB how much it would cost to win the PL, and that their estimate of that would determine how much money Lewis pumps into the club.

There is no answer or useful estimate one can make in order to answer the question you think may have been posed. There are simply too many variables to make any answer useful.

Instead I think year on year they'll try and improve the club by getting value for their investment in line with their eventual goal of selling us the higher bidder.

I think all this speculation about Lewis pumping money in to the club has come about because people think the spending this summer is difficult to explain otherwise.

In fact we've spent a net £35m on player, which is about what we spent in 07/08 , when our turnover was around £110m. Currently our turnover is around £180m and our wages about 50% of that.

For these reasons there is no need to imagine Lewis pumping money into the club in order to explain this summer's spending. If there's no reason too imagine that, then there is also no reason to imagine a meeting in which Lewis asks AVB how much money it would take to win the PL.

 

[sloth]

An interesting read which to some extent backs up the OP:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/15/premier-league-preview-tottenham-hotspur

How does it back up the OP do you think?

 

[sloth]

I totally agree. It seems to me like a lot of fans are attributing this Summer's spending to Lewis throwing some money into the pot, but it isn't too far off some of our previous spending.

Sometimes I think there is frustration because as fans we aren't privy to the strategies being played out. For example, when Berbatov is sold we wonder why the money isn't immediately spent on a new striker. But everything seems to run according to a long-term plan rather than a short-term face saving exercise.

Yep. It's exactly this. We tend not to be very good at seeing the wood for the trees, and so we're always reacting and adjusting to what appear to be random occurrences, trying to make our world model fit as it inevitably gets more and more out of kilter. We all do it in various walks of life, and we all, from time to time manage to have the bigger perspective. When you do it seems bloody obvious and you scratch your head at everyone's seemingly wilful blindness and their scrabble to cobble together ever more wild theories to explain it.* And yet despite how good you are at spotting it in other people, you almost never notice when you do it yourself!

* For grand examples of the phenomenon, think of the heavens orbiting the Earth/Earth orbiting the sun debate, or the Theory of Evolution, or climate change, or Keynsian economics. In each case there's a model that fits and one that doesn't, but the people who hold to the model's which don't fit nevertheless keep on adding on bits, and making adjustments in their determination to make it work.

 

[Chinaspur]

How does it back up the OP do you think?

Looks like Joe has gone out of his way to incentivise the squad. He's had the opportunity on many previous occasions to invite them all over for a boat party, but as far as I'm aware (and from the article's wording) it sounds like this is a first. Ties in with the idea that Joe sees this year as the year to put money and effort in to take advantage of an unusually good opportunity.

 

[sloth]

Looks like Joe has gone out of his way to incentivise the squad. He's had the opportunity on many previous occasions to invite them all over for a boat party, but as far as I'm aware (and from the article's wording) it sounds like this is a first. Ties in with the idea that Joe sees this year as the year to put money and effort in to take advantage of an unusually good opportunity.

The OP asserts/hypothesises that Joe Lewis and Levy met with AVB, asked him how much money to win the league, upon which AVB replied £50m, and Joe Lewis and Levy said OK here's the cash. How does inviting the team to holiday on his boat support this?

 

[Chinaspur]

The OP asserts/hypothesises that Joe Lewis and Levy met with AVB, asked him how much money to win the league, upon which AVB replied £50m, and Joe Lewis and Levy said OK here's the cash. How does inviting the team to holiday on his boat support this?

That's not the only thing I took away from the post. It's quite a bit more substantial than that. I think the OP also asserts that Joe feels now is the time to push the boat out because of the current climate/opportunities. That ties in with the article. Whether exact amounts/spending strategies have been mooted is uncertain, but if they had it would not be a surprise given the other data points we have.

 

[sloth]

That's not the only thing I took away from the post. It's quite a bit more substantial than that. I think the OP also asserts that Joe feels now is the time to push the boat out because of the current climate/opportunities. That ties in with the article. Whether exact amounts/spending strategies have been mooted is uncertain, but if they had it would not be a surprise given the other data points we have.

As I understand it, people are suggesting that Lewis is now bankrolling the club, probably via a loan. I'm arguing that there's no evidence for that. People say, but look at the spending!!! But I'm saying that spending is entirely within normal boundaries so near need to speculate about uncle Joe opening his cheque-book suddenly.

But I take the point that the OP is about more than the rumours of a big loan.

 

[Samson]

I disagree with the notion that Levy would have asked AVB how much it would cost to win the PL, and that their estimate of that would determine how much money Lewis pumps into the club.

There is no answer or useful estimate one can make in order to answer the question you think may have been posed. There are simply too many variables to make any answer useful.

Instead I think year on year they'll try and improve the club by getting value for their investment in line with their eventual goal of selling us the higher bidder.

I think all this speculation about Lewis pumping money in to the club has come about because people think the spending this summer is difficult to explain otherwise.

In fact we've spent a net £35m on player, which is about what we spent in 07/08 , when our turnover was around £110m. Currently our turnover is around £180m and our wages about 50% of that.

For these reasons there is no need to imagine Lewis pumping money into the club in order to explain this summer's spending. If there's no reason too imagine that, then there is also no reason to imagine a meeting in which Lewis asks AVB how much money it would take to win the PL.

I agree, but without more success on the pitch, they will never see the sort of windfall they are after, and I doubt we will ever get the stadium built. We've just sacked our sponsorship manager, but she wasn't the one who went for Dembele ahead of Moutinho.

 

[whitestreak]

Yep. It's exactly this. We tend not to be very good at seeing the wood for the trees, and so we're always reacting and adjusting to what appear to be random occurrences, trying to make our world model fit as it inevitably gets more and more out of kilter. We all do it in various walks of life, and we all, from time to time manage to have the bigger perspective. When you do it seems bloody obvious and you scratch your head at everyone's seemingly wilful blindness and their scrabble to cobble together ever more wild theories to explain it.* And yet despite how good you are at spotting it in other people, you almost never notice when you do it yourself!

* For grand examples of the phenomenon, think of the heavens orbiting the Earth/Earth orbiting the sun debate, or the Theory of Evolution, or climate change, or Keynsian economics. In each case there's a model that fits and one that doesn't, but the people who hold to the model's which don't fit nevertheless keep on adding on bits, and making adjustments in their determination to make it work.

I could not agree with you more .... "when you point a finger at someone ....you have three fingers pointing back at yourself" Try questioning your own beliefs, honestly mine were based on ITK