Jeremy Toljan

[doctor stefan Freud]

Hoffenheim aren't a rich team. But they have done well to be in CL this year with their 29 yrd old manager.

Moreover, there were 2 other Fullbacks who played more minutes than Toljan. He is certainly not their first choice as he more or less had a Trippier like back up role last year. The 3 FBs were rotated heavily. Given all these, I would think they will let go off Toljan , if he isnt signing a new contract. They arent going to run his contract down & let him leave on a free

If we pick this guy up for approximately 3 million, and we plan to maintain our net spend policy, it suggests that even if we layout 25 million for Barkley, we still have a decent wedge left: I'm dreaming our Italian interest might be someone of reasonably established quality already.
Any smart bastards out there know what we currently have to spend: is it just the Walker money or Njie and Fazio too?

 

[Ossie85]

If he is of Ryan Sessegnon talent - great move. If he is still developing and on par with KWP i don't get it. It offers us no further quality in squad depth or fierce competition with Trips.

He is 22, almost 23 (August 8).
Sessegnon is 17.

I don't think they are comparable

 

[Ossie85]

I never watched him play, not even a youtube video.
How is he compared to Pereira? Because I understand the price difference, but Pereira would be coming to fight for the first team spot. This one sounds as just backup

 

[worcestersauce]

Could be in four years time that Toljan and Walker-Peters are our full backs.

 

[ginger]

For those in the bring in KWP/youth camp this is a no brainer signing imo. And it becomes an important part of our model to support this philosophy when trying to persuade the likes of Edwards and Sancho's to commit to our club vision imo.

By spending just a few million and still quadrupling his salary by putting him on just c20k/week like Winks and others who have just broken through you are not bringing in a guy that permanently blocks our rb progression but a utility defender who can step in if KWP fails to step up. Also one who complements his and Trippier's weaknesses. He is tall for a full back at 183, as fast and athletic as Walker (!) and better technically.

Turning 23 at the start of this season is perfect age too, to not demoralise a 20 year old by stockpiling prospects, nor on the other hand bringing in a clearly established senior pro that usurps his pathway upon signing. Toljan add depth at CB (and lb) too as he is great springing in the air and partnered Sule there for much of his youth career. Not to say I wouldn't want Perera, but we've had more success with Germans than Portuguese and at the prices quoted Toljan is no risk at all whereas despite his quality after the dodgy agents/ownerships that hang around portuguese players, his likely first team level salary demands (and the message this give to kwp for example) and his physical size and weakness in the Premiership are considered I'd understand prioritising Toljan.

 

[panoma]

Feels like we struggle to accept the inflated player prices in today's market and are stuck with "punts" on cheap players. Sure sometimes it work out, like with Dier and Alli, but most often it does not.

I get it we don't need much, and even agree, but I still wish we could just get in that one ready made signing in timely fashion instead of scrambling at the end of the window having just picked up some bargains that probably will not stay here long (if history is anything to go by: Holtby, Capoue, Stambouli, Clinton, GNK, Chiriches etch)

 

[Lemon]

I'm in the 'cheap if possible' at the back, and use the wedge higher up the pitch, camp.

Poch develops defenders particularly well.

 

[Spurrific]

It's so weird, people only now seem to be against signing Toljan because they've seen £3m being mentioned. Unfair to judge him on his cost, he is very highly rated and would be a good signing. What's wrong with getting value for money?

 

[panoma]

Value for money is good, obviously, but it sometimes feels like that is the number one priority. If he is any good that's just a bonus.

 

[SwedishSpurs]

Feels like we struggle to accept the inflated player prices in today's market and are stuck with "punts" on cheap players. Sure sometimes it work out, like with Dier and Alli, but most often it does not.

I get it we don't need much, and even agree, but I still wish we could just get in that one ready made signing in timely fashion instead of scrambling at the end of the window having just picked up some bargains that probably will not stay here long (if history is anything to go by: Holtby, Capoue, Stambouli, Clinton, GNK, Chiriches etch)

Tbf there are a lot of examples when we have spent a lot of money on a player and it hasn't worked out. Sissoko, Soldado, Paulinho and Bentley for example. Spending huge money is not a guarantee either.

 

[panoma]

Absolutely agree it's never any guarantee with any purchase. But this one smells like we refuse to pay what Porto wants for Pereira and us looking for the cheap option instead.

If this is a player we wanted all along we would have payed 3 million a month ago to give him a proper pre season.

This summer it have seemed like Pereira and Barkley are the players we targeted early as best fits for us. Having said that I'm in the KWP camp, but it's the point that with the TV money and 80 millions raised through sales we should just get the first option.

 

[spursfan77]

It's so weird, people only now seem to be against signing Toljan because they've seen £3m being mentioned. Unfair to judge him on his cost, he is very highly rated and would be a good signing. What's wrong with getting value for money?

I agree. Hopefully we sign him and piss off the rest of the league by picking up a really good player at a bargain.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Lyall Thomas‏Verified account@SkySportsLyall 2m2 minutes ago
Spurs are showing interest in Toljan but nothing further than that at this stage. Full story coming shortly. #THFC

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Basically they probably see Toljan at £3m as adequate cover in case of an injury to Trippier, then all it takes is a handful of cup games/ league appearances and he's automatically a £7m+ player to another Prem team next year if we don't view him as quite good enough. so we make a profit. Or Poch has worked some magic and we have a good palyer on our hands for next to no outlay. Can see why Levy likes the look of the deal. In this market £3m is nothing.

 

[[email protected]]

It's so weird, people only now seem to be against signing Toljan because they've seen £3m being mentioned. Unfair to judge him on his cost, he is very highly rated and would be a good signing. What's wrong with getting value for money?

Nothing at all, Spurrific! Especially if we're targeting this lad because, first and foremost, our manager really rates him and wants him. But if our chairman is targeting him because first and foremost he's cheap, and our manager's wishes were to be subordinated in pursuit of profit, I think there'd be plenty wrong with that.

 

[WiganSpur]

TOLJAN INTERESTS SPURS

Tottenham are showing interest in Hoffenheim right-back Jeremy Toljan, according to Sky sources.

The 22-year-old impressed for Germany’s U21s at the recent European Championships, which Germany won, and made 20 Bundesliga appearances last term.



Just rehashing previous reports I think. We want signings not interest though FFS

 

[panoma]

Sky should thank their lucky stars that no one force them to reveal their so called "sky sources". Gonna be hard to push out content if that's the case.

 

[[email protected]]

Basically they probably see Toljan at £3m as adequate cover in case of an injury to Trippier, then all it takes is a handful of cup games/ league appearances and he's automatically a £7m+ player to another Prem team next year if we don't view him as quite good enough. so we make a profit. Or Poch has worked some magic and we have a good palyer on our hands for next to no outlay. Can see why Levy likes the look of the deal. In this market £3m is nothing.

I think you're right, Tibsy, but equally, I'd hope our ambitions would extend a little further than just finding "adequate cover" for our first team right back, having just sold the world's most expensive defender.

 

[cliff jones]

Nothing against this at all, including based on price, IF Poch feels he can polish him up into a player who could start in any of the four comps. I'd rather we have a couple of good young uns battling for back up positions, than just one. KWP needs to fight for it.

WWhich is why I'd take Foyth in a heartbeat for RCB too, because CCV must not be given a free run at a starting place even in the League Cup. I've seen that episode before and it don't end well.

Jeremy and Juan, come on down. Even more left to spend on this summer's blockbuster signing, that won't happen and we won't find out why, haha.

 

[Spurrific]

Nothing at all, Spurrific! Especially if we're targeting this lad because, first and foremost, our manager really rates him and wants him. But if our chairman is targeting him because first and foremost he's cheap, and our manager's wishes were to be subordinated in pursuit of profit, I think there'd be plenty wrong with that.

Of course, I agree. I'm more pointing out the fact that there were far fewer objections before the relatively low price was mooted.