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[SpurSince57]

Actually, let me rephrase my last post. If Gilberto was signed as cover for Bale and BAE, it's not just eccentric, it's totally bloody insane. It really makes no sense at all.

 

[PT]

If an ITK wants to have an opinion, that opinion should be disclosed as such, not apparent fact of inside knowledge of player information regarding our club.

There is a clear difference between the two and I would thank anyone purporting to have ITK to make it clear what is and what isn't personal supposition.

 

[AngerManagement]

Most of that already doing the rounds in the papers, except Lennon is hotly tipped to leave.

If Boateng and Kaboul are sold, Comolli should be fired. Spending £13m on two players who made minimal impact over the season is ridiculous. We could have got one decent first team player in the summer. A centre back or central midfielder wou;dn't have goner amiss.

FWIW I don't think Gilberto will stay. He's 32 next month and Levy said he was bought as cover for Bale and Ekotto. We'll have one or both back next season, and I can see us going for a decent LB in the summer.

I can see what your saying, that kind of money could easily have bought in players who would make an imediate impact in the first team.

Youngsters for the future who cost that amount of money should be almost guarenteed to produce (come good) in the not so distant future (appereciate in value or atleast hold it) if not then this type of business practise is surely a sackable offence.

Certainly worse then the mispriced lobster on the apprentice, I wonder what Sir Alan would have made of some of Comolli's signings if he was still at the helm.

I wonder which two staff memebers Comolli would bring into the board room with him (Jol and Hughton it seems).

Im still not actually going to condem DC, but some of his high profile signings need to start producing big time next season or he will have to be marginalised to signing youth team players with a smaller budget and just doing deals for first team players on Ramos's orders.

 

[SelbYido]

I thought I'd heard that Spurs had originally intended to sign Gilberto in the summer but went for him in January because of Bale & BAE's injuries. Might be wrong though, I've got a rubbish memory.

 

[michaelden]

I would be surprised if Lennon, KPB and Kaboul go. Lennon is a great distraction to any defense. And KPB and Kaboul are still young enough to improve

 

[Mullers]

It seems like we are waiting for half the team to improve. JJ, Hudd, Lennon, KPB, Kaboul, Zokora, Robbo. How about we get some players in that can do the business RIGHT NOW rather than in two or three years.

 

[eddiebailey]

It seems like we are waiting for half the team to improve. JJ, Hudd, Lennon, KPB, Kaboul, Zokora, Robbo.

And Juande is not a patient man.

I recall that when Jol left he expressed a concern that the young talents at the club would not be given the time needed to come good.

 

[Real_madyidd]

If Boateng and Kaboul are sold, Comolli should be fired.

But then wont we have a new director of football, who wants his own manager in? Ramos will start to get undermined at board level, they wont back him (and will buy players he doesn't want). Ramos then gets fired, we pay massive compensation and spend more time "in transition".

 

[Mullers]

But then wont we have a new director of football, who wants his own manager in? Ramos will start to get undermined at board level, they wont back him (and will buy players he doesn't want). Ramos then gets fired, we pay massive compensation and spend more time "in transition".

I think Ramos would have the final say on what DOF comes in.

 

[MattWilliams]

Most of what has been said seems credible and in keeping with the mood music coming out of the Lane. I think we will learn a little more about who is is still in Ramos plans from who starts the remaining games.

Of the squad he inherited from Jol, I suspect the only players who can look forward with any certainty to playing for us next season are Keane, King (subject to a miracle cure), Berbs if he choses to stay, and probably Malbranque and Zokora.

Robinson, Cerny, Stalteri, Lee, Gardner, Rocha, Ghaly and Tainio are gone, and it is likely Alnwick, Chimbonda, Kaboul and Boateng can be added to that list. Lennon and Jenas have to the end of the season to impress. Dawson and Bent will go if we get decent offers, which we will. Most of the senior reserves, Daniels, Mills, McKenna, Barcham will go.

Taarabt will stay unless he is a silly boy and kicks up about not playing.

Hutton, Woodgate and O'Hara are Ramos boys and will be here next season. Not so sure about Gilberto.

That would be a hell of a cull, although I guess with a lot of maybes...

 

[MattWilliams]

I think Ramos would have the final say on what DOF comes in.

But it would prove the whole DOF system is flawed and provides no consistency, which was meant to be its percieved benefit.

 

[Mullers]

But it would prove the whole DOF system is flawed and provides no consistency, which was meant to be its percieved benefit.

Well every system is a bit flawed. With the right people in place the system can work.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think the first, 'my mate the football agent' piece needs to be taken with a Pat Jennings-size handful of salt. HH, on the other hand, did come up with spot-on information about Bent, and although he did come in for some stick about his claims of extravagant signings we were alleged to be trying for in January, there was some back-up for these from other ITKs.

The speculation and quantity (if not quality) of information—and I use the word advisedly—we get from ITKs and the media over the next few months is going to put the last two summer windows totally in the shade.

 

[Blotto]

So in other words, we are all going to be very annoyed for the next couple of months...

 

[DoublePivot]

So in other words, we are all going to be very annoyed for the next couple of months...

No at some point during this whole thing, someone will be linked, which will make us all giddy with anticipation......and then really annoyed when it bears no fruit.

 

[N10toN17]

Who here given a choice would like to see Ramos in complete control of signing our first team players? I know I would, the Dof system I'm still far from impressed with and its supposedly "gives a club continuity" mantra. So far it's shown itself to be no better at all than the traditional method and I'd argue is actually getting in the way of moving us forward.

On the ITK, I really can't see Lennon being let go, why would we do that? We need to bring one more RM in to give him some competition, what's the point in bringing one in and letting one go? Back to where we started.

Kaboul has shown more than enough potential and I'm expecting him to come on a bit next year, he has the abilities to be an excellent CB, just needs more experience.

Those leaving for me are; Stalteri, Gardner, Rocha, Lee, Ghaly.

The maybe list; Chimbonda, Robbo, Dawson, Teemu, KPB.

I'm not expecting all the maybe list to go.

 

[AngerManagement]

Who here given a choice would like to see Ramos in complete control of signing our first team players? I know I would, the Dof system I'm still far from impressed with and its supposedly "gives a club continuity" mantra. So far it's shown itself to be no better at all than the traditional method and I'd argue is actually getting in the way of moving us forward.

On the ITK, I really can't see Lennon being let go, why would we do that? We need to bring one more RM in to give him some competition, what's the point in bringing one in and letting one go? Back to where we started.

Kaboul has shown more than enough potential and I'm expecting him to come on a bit next year, he has the abilities to be an excellent CB, just needs more experience.

Those leaving for me are; Stalteri, Gardner, Rocha, Lee, Ghaly.

The maybe list; Chimbonda, Robbo, Dawson, Teemu, KPB.

I'm not expecting all the maybe list to go.

I think Comolli should have control over youth signings within a certain budget, but the first team signings should be the choice of the manager, although Comolli should be in charge of the negotions etc to bring the player the Mananger selects.

Example, if Ramos was to give Comolli a list of attributes in wants in a player, Comolli and his scouting team should go and find a list of potential signings that meet said criteia and take them to Ramos and await to go ahead to begin persuit of the player from Ramos (and of course Levy from a financial point of view)

I dont know how far away from the current set up this is, I would hope this is how things work currently.

Basically I think the manager should have the final say over first team matters (as much as any manager without a DOF has) and the DOF should be in place to take the work load of the manager and deal with contracts and scouting for the manager but the manager should have the the right to tell the DOF what to do in terms of who to sign, who to offer contract to etc.

 

[N10toN17]

I think Comolli should have control over youth signings within a certain budget, but the first team signings should be the choice of the manager, although Comolli should be in charge of the negotions etc to bring the player the Mananger selects.

Example, if Ramos was to give Comolli a list of attributes in wants in a player, Comolli and his scouting team should go and find a list of potential signings that meet said criteia and take them to Ramos and await to go ahead to begin persuit of the player from Ramos (and of course Levy from a financial point of view)

I dont know how far away from the current set up this is, I would hope this is how things work currently.

Basically I think the manager should have the final say over first team matters (as much as any manager without a DOF has) and the DOF should be in place to take the work load of the manager and deal with contracts and scouting for the manager but the manager should have the the right to tell the DOF what to do in terms of who to sign, who to offer contract to etc.

Agree with everything you've said there AM, but I'm under the understanding that's not what we have in place?

I'd like as you say for the Dof to take the workload and look after signings for the youth team, but it's all far too cloudy and murky at the moment and we don't really know just like under Jol how much control Ramos has, I want him to have complete control of first team matters.